I don't think you understand how most Russians view Putin. Most Russians believe Putin is standing up to the West. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/...ck-ukraine-history-shows-its-unlikely-to-last
Oh yes. The place where Andy Ngo is an editor. basso sourced Andy Ngo who sourced the website where he is an editor.
potentially interesting for some of you, on the pathetic puppet nature of Belarus: https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/...esisting-putin-belarus-is-becoming-his-puppet
Only 2 people in this thread have broached the subject and Twitter is not a good representative of anything, where did you get this poll? Link?
As I work with a company that has offices in St. Petersburg I understand much better than most here, and probably you. Maybe the older FOX NEWS of RUSSIAN generation, but not their children or people who have facebook, Twitter, Iphones...etc...they are getting the truth. DD
I think everyone needs to understand the stakes. It’s easy to sit here and say we should intervene militarily but we don’t really know what’s going to happen, how tough Russian air defenses will be or how successful our strikes will be. Further given our record of hitting civilian targets there’s no guarantee we’re not going to end up doing something like killing Russian civilians or more likely civilians in Donbas. It’s all a gamble and are we willing to gamble not just the lives of US troops and pilots but also WWIII to defend Ukraine?
So what if Russia warned the Ukraine? Almost nothing geo-political is black and white, but this is pretty damn close. Now why would Russia not want Ukraine to not join NATO? Because it makes it a lot harder for Russia to take it back. Putin has also threatened a number of other countries....... to not join NATO.... even though Russia is a member of NATO. It is all a bunch of bullshit excuses for Russia to try and take over another nation to get their resources. There is no real valid defense for what Russia is doing. The USA encouraged the Ukraine and a handful of other nations to join NATO to limit a possible invasion by Russia. The USA never promised the Ukraine troops. Also, It is humorous that Russia is upset other nations are joining the organization that they are members. Speaking of bearing the consequences of their actions? RUSSIA They were not a pawn and their isn't much they could have done differently. They wanted their independence, and they got it and they elected people that were not puppets of Russia. Further, they were not puppets of the West either, as the former chief election strategy head of the Putin election, who also was in charge of the Ukrainian Putin backed candidate said that it was a FAIR election and the Putin candidate wasn't in line with what the Ukrainians. It absolutely matters what the rest of the world thinks.
Yeah, one thing I noted in that "Cokebabies" stuff is manipulating agency. Trump did this all the time. If you criticized Trump, that meant you criticized "America" (sic). And now that poster, with very Kremlin like rhetoric, supplants "Russia" to stand for "Putin." Really freaking creepy.
But the counter is that if we are going to have to risk WWIII to stop Putin's aggression at some point, why not now. Why sacrifice Ukraine and then go through the same hand-wringing again later. Right now, it's the world VS. Russia, Belarus and Tucker Carleson. That is in part due to the spirited and valiant resistance from the Ukrainians. That may not happen again. And the positive of taking the risk now is that it could keep Ukraine from falling. Putin also risks WWIII and his own annihilation if our military helps enforce a no-fly zone. If we don't Putin will only be emboldened because he guesses we don't have the will to risk opposing him.
Russia is NOT a member of NATO they tried to join and honestly, probably should have been let in.....but they were rebuffed. The Ukraine asked to join and was rejected because one of the requirements to be in NATO is you control all the territory in your application - they had Crimea in there and were disqualified. DD
We could take out the overwhelming majority of that 10's of kilometers long column made up of some of the best Russia has in equipment, if not in troops, and if we did, it would be an enormous blow to Russian military power on the ground. We would suffer losses, that would be inevitable, but the cost to us would be well worth the hammer blow to the Russian military. In my opinion. Our air power could wreak havoc on the rest of the Russian military attacking Ukrainian cities and innocent civilians, if we chose to use it. Again, in my opinion. We can't do it. We would well and truly be in World War III in Europe. As united as NATO is now on incredibly tough sanctions and giving Ukraine aid, we would never get a united agreement from the members of the alliance to do such a thing, in my opinion. If we did it ourselves, or with a couple of willing NATO members, it would fracture the alliance. Only an attack by Russia on a NATO member would allow such an act. Add to that Putin's increasingly unstable behavior. He could very well attack NATO with tactical nuclear weapons in response. He has them, illegally by treaty, in Kaliningrad Oblast on intermediate range missiles that could reach NATO targets within minutes. We would respond and Hell is unleashed across Europe. It's sorely tempting considering the crimes against humanity being perpetrated by Russia against the people of Ukraine, which appear to be on the verge of getting many times more horrific, but we can't take the chance. I briefly had a real hope that some of the Eastern European members of NATO would give those Soviet era aircraft to Ukraine and they could strike a blow themselves, but those countries have backed away from the idea, last I read. What a nightmare.
what I don't understand the most is.. when a country X announce they will send military weapons to Ukraine with description of quantities and intended delivery date . How can this be possible? Amazon prime!
I'm going to with the data vs your personal survey of office workers. As for the truth, I can't believe you'd think that the truth on social media would be turning them again Putin like some kind of awakening. Just look how effective the truth was in shifting followers of Trump against him. I mean, when it comes to understanding people in other countries, Americans can be incredibly naïve.
