Please see the link to your post. https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/ukraine.294682/page-165#post-13979891 Quit being dishonest
There are actual nazis etc in Ukraine , it’s quite worrisome and for some reason being ignored in the sea of propaganda
So China, India and a few others abstain on condemning Russia but the Taliban vote to denounce Russia. What a strange moment in history we're in.
By forcing them to draw on any cash reserves they have, and possibly sows distrust between those who have been profiting and Putin.
You don't have to like Kelly and Mattis, but they definitely slowed Trump's attempts to get us out of NATO.
This thread moves so fast. I'll probably be 3 pages behind by the time I hit submit. If a NATO member in the Baltics is invaded, Americans might not care about them, but members like Germany and France do, and Germany and France matter to us. So, if the Baltics pull Germany into war, Germany will be pulling us in. If we're talking about invasions, I don't see how there is an appeasement to be made with the territorial integrity of a NATO ally. If they had a nuclear card, they wouldn't have to play it. Russia wouldn't invade or talk about invading. It makes all the difference in the world. That's why we try so hard to not let Iran or North Korea get nukes - because if they had them, we couldn't mess with them. It's why Biden is so very clear that we'll do sanctions but not fight Russia; because they have nukes. When was the last time a nuclear country was invaded? The only example I can think of is the Yom Kippur War that Israel won handily without using their nukes.
As long as Zelensky lives and the guerilla warfare continues, the sanctions will just be absolutely devastating to Russia. And negotiations are simple, from my perspective. No sanction lifted until there is a complete Russian withdraw from all Ukranian lands, including Crimea.
WOW? Are you really trying to mount a defense of Russia? NATO is not the United States and did Ukraine provoke Russia? You are talking out both sides of your neck, I guess this is the talking points circulating with you and yours these days.
I don't think it generally is. I see much discussion of Russia as a paper tiger and how Ukraine should perform strike in Moscow.
Armenia and Kazakhstan abstaining are actually slight positives. They're controlled so closely by Russia that this is actually a mild form of dissent. Otherwise, everyone voted largely as expected (with the exception of Afghanistan, which I guess may not be too surprising given its own history with Russian invasions).
What do actual Nazis have to do with anything and there are actual Nazis in the U.S., as well, I don't understand your point?
Ignored? That's the whole reason the God King Vladimir Putin is liberating Ukraine! We trained Afghan forces for 20 years, and they couldn't last a week. Snark aside, I often compare the two situations. Our puppet government in Afghanistan surrendered without a fight despite better odds while Ukrainian civilians sign up to fight despite having no training. Afghanistan's president fled the country at the first sign of trouble, while Ukraine's has stayed even though he knows he'll probably lose and losing means imprisonment or execution for him. You can see how our Afghan government had no legitimacy, and Ukraine's government really does.
I don't agree with this line of thinking, and Iran and NK are two totally different governments that need those types of threats to stay in power. And like I said, would Putin even care about a playing the nuclear card since he has his own nukes? We have not had an invasion like this since the Vietnam War, and you just cited an example of a country not playing the nuclear card. Russia is threatening to nuke NATO, which has nukes, so I don't understand why you think it would make a difference here.
Is he really though? The man constantly lies and bluffs. It was inevitable that he would increase the nuclear warning to the highest level.... he is a bully, it is what he does.... and he gets away with it because the entire world sticks their tails between their legs and piddles on the floor..... From Georgia.... to the Crimea.... to Checnya.... to Belarus where he fixed election.... to the Ukraine where he has now invaded twice.... to using assassins in the UK..... to using China to get around the 2014 sanctions....... to civil rights violations and the murder or many people...... no one does a damn thing.... The man gets on television and threatens Ukraine and Crimea and Georgia and nothing happens.... now he threatens NATO and Finland and Sweden.... he isn't going to stop...... he has said that he believes that the USSR fall and breaking was illegal. That means under the Russian law he has the right to violate other agreements to return the dozen or so former Soviet states back to Russia. He has called it the Russian Empire. Russia is far less pragmatic or timid than China or the USA. There is a real chance Moldova is next. This isn't the end of it.... he isn't going to stop and sanctions have never worked against him nearly 20 years..... and even if he dies, unless it is sudden, he will name a successor and they will likely be nearly as bad as he is.
