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Paolo Banchero vs Chet Holmgren

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by MystikArkitect, Nov 9, 2021.

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Chet "The Jet" Holmgren or Paolo "The Lambo" Banchero?

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  1. MystikArkitect

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    Mobley is better in space. Chet is better at the rim. Chet/Sengun/Green is an amazing young core.

    Nothing will matter if the Rockets are still running either of KPJ or Christian Wood though.
     
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    yea i don't see it as well. but i really want the rockets to take the best 2-way prospect possible, somebody who can really change the game on the defensive end, and yet still be effective and highly efficient on offense.

    with what alperen sengun has shown so far, i hope the rockets will really think about running the offense through him - his passing/vision has been amazing and it looks like he's slowly developing 3-level scoring ability. jalen green started off slow but he's shown some flashes of taking on a larger role on offense and potentially being a go-to scorer. if the rockets have the opportunity to draft a potential premier two-way player (whether that's jabari, chet, or someone else like aj griffin) it would really jumpstart this rebuild.

    i think with jabari, chet, and griffin, they all have some flaws on the offensive end right now for sure, but i still see potential in all of them to grow into a larger offensive role down the road, just like kawhi, paul george, jimmy butler when they entered the league. banchero is obviously more developed on the offensive end skill wise than all three (jabari, chet, griffin), efficiency be damned.
     
  3. jiggyfly

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    I don't really care about a 2 way player at this point in team rebuilding and I would not give a thought about how this draft pick fits with these players because if the pick or these guys are as great as we want them to be they can play with anybody.

    As for Chet, are we sure he will be great defensively in the NBA? Yeah, we know he is a great rim protector from the weak side, but that does not make him a great defensive player, especially since he will be guarding perimeter guys mostly.

    At that size, how many NBA type guys will he deter from going to the basket? Most guys are going to be salivating at the prospect of dunking on him, to the detriment of their team and him as well.
     
  4. cmoak1982

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    It is far more likely that Paolo is a below average offensive player than Chet to be a below average defender.

    Chet is elite, period. His defense at all levels is elite. His mobility and athleticism is elite for his size, his IQ and length make him a sure fire DPOY candidate.

    Add to the fact that he’s probably a better offensive player than Paolo right now.

    Paolo is looking more boom or bust than the others in the top 3
     
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    His handle is not "bad" for a guy his size, but its not a strength (not that it has to be). Doing fancy stuff once or twice a game in college doesnt mean it will be a staple of your game as a pro. Makes me wonder how effective he will be vs NBA 4's. If Chet is going to be pigeon holed to the the big wing/4 spot due to lack of size and strength to play NBA 5 then he will have to work on creating his own shot and even further creating for others if stretch 5 is ever in his future. I dont think he's nearly quick enough to play the smaller wing. He's getting by some marginal NCAA talent right now. I will have a microscope on him during the tourney and hope that he can show another gear when facing NBA level players. Chet is a little conundrum for me - his shooting is good enough to keep him on court as a vital part of a 5 man unit since he is such a game changer on defense, but I find myself pumping the brakes on all the "moves like a guard" and unicorn stuff. Its romantic to think about a 7 footer playing like a shooting guard with All NBA defense. Almost impossible to find big guys who can give that kind of effort on both sides of the court - be tasked with running an offense, playmaking and then reducing run outs and sprinting back on D every play. I just place more of an emphasis on the ability to play Bully Ball in todays NBA and prefer players who can get their shot at will and also have the ability to include peripheral players. More guys you can have on the court as playmakers and shot creators in last possession situations the better. Still think the 2 man game with Sengun and Banchero would be dynamite and offer more than pairing Sengun with a defensive minded shooter. I wouldnt be upset if Holmgren is a Rocket at all, just have my preference like everyone else.
     
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    It’s funny that the two guys who say Chet doesn’t have handles or speed (when every scout says they do) claim Paolo to be elite offensively when Chet is better or even in every category and Chet is a better athlete.

    It’s weird
     
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    That's projection on your part, he has not shown to be elite on the perimeter nor in the post, especially against NBA level guys.

    How the hell is he a better offensive player than Paolo right now, this is where it gets crazy.

    You just can't stop ******** on Banchero for some reason, how the hell does he look more boom than bust?
     
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    Who has said that Chet does not have handles or speed, why do you keep creating Straw men?

    You are weird in your stanning for Chet.
     
  9. jiggyfly

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    All **** you have done it now CMoak is gonna come after you with the heat of 1000 suns.


    Don't you know he is better at everything than Banchero?
     
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    He has proven elite defensively, you just don’t watch it or make excuses that he doesn’t do it against NBA talent. Which is stupid.
    His offensive numbers and efficiency are far better than Paolo, not even close
     
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    You’re weird for your stanning of a lesser prospect in Paolo.
     
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    This is typical from you.

    You’ve said it multiple ways. Along with the racist VC that he doesn’t have the lateral agility to move in space. It’s stupid.
    You and him are literally the only people thag think that, and then conversely think Paolo can somehow dominate when he isn’t even as mobile and athletic as Chet.

    It’s weird
     
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    He is better than Banchero in every aspect. Except being 250 pounds.
    Which apparently is the only thing important to you
     
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    I see you are just straight up trolling now.

    You actually brought race into this discussion, how pathetic.
     
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    You brought a known racist into the conversation in VC.

    The only troll is you. You don’t have a single drop of basketball knowledge. That’s obvious, then you double down on stupid by making outrageous claims that not a single scout agrees with and don’t even watch the games.
    You’re a clown with terrible takes.
     
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    Also, you have made multiple posts about him not being able to defend on the perimeter. You’ve been shown multiple videos of him guarding multiple guys at the 3 pt line down to the rim. But you made the same stupid excuses on why or how it didn’t mean anything.
    Same with his handles, now it’s only when he’s open court and not in tight spaces.
    What a clown
     
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    JG/Chet > JG/banchero
     
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    Now you are just making **** up.

    You have got to be one lonely dude to want to engage so much about a guy you have no ties to.

    I finally figured out what your deal is and will respond accordingly, you're just a very lonely, sad dude.

    You need to get laid or get medication, I would look into both before you snap.
     
  19. cmoak1982

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    Here we go with ad hominem attacks.
    The only sad person here is a guy that is disparaging the best prospect in the draft and doesn’t even watch his games.

    You have literally been caught lying in this thread, and now denying that you have said multiple times that he is slow laterally, or can’t defend on perimeter or poor handles in tight spaces. What will it be next? You don’t like the shape of elbows?
    You need to get over it, Chet is better than Paolo. That’s not a knock on Paolo, it just is true.
    Take your lying ass somewhere else if you don’t like it.
     
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    And as to the bolded part. Do you suffer from any type of short term memory loss? Are you operating on a fully functional temporal lobe?
     

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