Well technically Putin owns the gas. But if Putin can’t pay the troops then yes game over him. I doubt the morale of troops would be great if they have fight for no pay.
To me your not, but I might be crazy too. The big unknown here is who is selling Russia their war machine, and would they have the means to produce for him without... well... money. The war machine is a global industry and it's pretty rare when a military has the ability to produce anything completely in their own country where they could force that industry to operate essentially at a loss of profit. It's not like in the 17th century where you could order your citizens to go chop trees in the woods to make more ships. How he's financing this war is probably the most important factor in knowing his likelihood of success IMO.
True, but unlike most of those governments, no one guy had enough power to suit our interest. My point still stands, why would they just throw money into Russia and not have gotten any benefit, even they knew it was a cluster****.
Can someone explain or reconcile how the U.S. economic sanctions are effective when the U.S., and many other countries, are still buying barrels of oil from Russia daily? I'm not asking to be jerky, I legit just want to better understand how this works.
Well, yeah, I agree with you. Typically in situation like mid to late 90s Russia we use financial aid as a leverage weapon to effect regime...errrr...adjustment we'll say lol.
I don't know what you think this is supposed to mean. Putin has his own money in various accounts throughout the world and Russia has its own treasury just like the U.S. does do you think he is paying for this out of his own personal funds? There is a huge difference.
I THINK that @jiggyfly and @Sweet Lou 4 2 are kind of arguing past each other on different points. 1) Jiggy is right that Russia was insanely corrupt during the 90s during the privatization period. We would have tied any major financial aid programs to regime adjustment in the direction we wanted it go, like we always do. That wasn't realistic in Russia so a Marshall style plan wasn't realistic either. 2) Sweet Lou is kind of arguing that we should have done it ANYWAY thinking it would have made a difference? Is that maybe your point here? It's arguable and comes down to what policymakers always debate during these things probably.
I am saying all Russian money is his as he controls it. He had to know that the west would try and freeze that money so I bet he tried to hide some of that in Switzerland. Now that is frozen it will affect how he can finance the war through his reserves.
I thought about the gas too. There are multiple steps involved in turning crude into usable fuel for a tank. I was assuming that's why the UAE and the Saudi's didn't sign on to condemn Russia... money they get from Russia to play a part in their fuel consumption I'm sure. I'm not sure though exactly what capabilities Russia has for end of end. Even if they can produce, and consume nationally it still takes time, and someone at the other end will want some form of payment at some point. I'm sure Putin can pay anyone in the military anything he wants. It's just the fact that his military is going to be paid in rubles which are now worthless. So yeah there's going to be alot of unhappy privates, and lieutenants who get their checks at the end of the month and their wife back in Moscow is yelling at them that the paycheck wasn't enough to pay for their rent this month which also skyrocketed as everyone in Russia is trying to raise prices in order to sustain their lifestyle.
Russia has its own weapons manufacturing apparatus, they don't need anybody to outside to produce much. I would guess that China could supply everything else that is needed and the U.S. does produce most of it's stuff I am sure raw materials are needed but for the most part everything can be produced here. He is financing the war like most countries from the military budget his government has. The same way the U.S. would finance a war, I don't understand what the mystery is here?
If Russia is back in the stone age, it won't really matter. You can have a USB stick or paper wallet. It's not like we will isolate the entire country of Russia from electricity, the internet or let alone walking to a place with a computer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_industry_of_Russia They make and export their own equipment. it's how they make a lot of money.
No I am saying much of the corruption didn't happen until later on so we're talking slightly different time periods...and yes, Russia had issues but we needed to find a way to overcome that and help Russia's economy get on track. That doesn't translate into handing them money for free. But we needed to get involved and helped them reform their economy and not just tell them it's a necessary shock and you'll figure it out.
Not sure but I'm pretty certain nobody in the world has 100% of their military materials made nationally. We all know here that Raytheon and Boeing aren't getting all their raw materials from northern Washington state, and Massachusetts. There's a global supply chain for this stuff just like with anything. That being said Aleks makes a good point about focusing on fuel. I'm sure he's got the equipment to spare to last him years. The fuel is the key to keeping the tanks moving and the jets flying. The UAE, and Saudi abstaining the other day should be noted. The answer to ending the war in Ukraine might actually be in Dubai or Riyad. If a deal can be cut with the Saudi's of the UAE here to get them to halt their fuel consumption, we should entertain that deal as crooked as it might sound.
