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Paolo Banchero vs Chet Holmgren

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by MystikArkitect, Nov 9, 2021.

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Chet "The Jet" Holmgren or Paolo "The Lambo" Banchero?

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  1. cmoak1982

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    This just shows you don’t watch the games.
    Pull up 3s, pick and pop, low post, high post, transition pull up and drives are most of Chet’s scoring. Moving off ball is a plus, making plays for others is a plus. Even if it’s hockey style assists.
     
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    Ok.
     
  3. cmoak1982

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    The intellectual dishonesty from you is getting ridiculous.
    What’s the real reason you don’t like Chet? Getting real suspect that you keep lying about him.
     
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    Duke hasn't really be a well coached or well oiled program in a long time. Once Coach K swallowed his pride and started taking a lot of one and done prospects, the quality of execution has gone way down to the level of other programs that are full of one and done players. Duke has won a title that way 7-8 years ago, and they win the recruiting war literally half the time.... but it doesn't produce well refined basketball when you have new top players every season.

    Banchero has a lot of talent around him, and he has guys that can finish off his kick out passes, but he and everyone else on that team is largely a one on one player with the Duke coaching staff rolling the ball out on the floor and telling a bunch of 18 year old players to win.

    Gonzaga is not good for the bulk stats of Holmgren. However it is likely better for his overall development and the fact he is surrounded by players that knows where to be on the floor defensively really lets his defensive ability to shine. He has however largely been limited in what he can do offensively as far as showing his skills. He has shown some turnarounds the last few weeks, and he has gone coast to coast some but he appears a little rusty at times. I think what stands out the most to me about Holmgren is his 3 point shoot.... I thought he would be a solid but not very good 3 point shooter and he is flashing elite ability at it.

    Jabari also has a lot of talent around him including a very, very good big that covers a lot of mistakes.
     
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    Man, Paolo is getting iced out by Trevor Keels and a guy named Roach. It's a terribly coached team and honestly, this is my first year to watch during the season for hobby scouting purposes (gotta find joy in this Rocket's team somehow) but sheesh it's rough.

    The beauty of Holmgren to me is he has 20PPG upside without needing plays ran for him. That along with elite defense and all time IQ is enough for me to not pass on him.

     
  6. cmoak1982

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    Can you imagine a Sengun/Chet pick and roll? Green/Chet pick and roll?

    Chet gives you more on offense than Wood does and has DPOY talent on defense
     
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    I'd play him next to Wood and get weird to be honest unless someone comes with a big offer for Wood. I want to get weird. It also allows more people to get more opportunities. I would want to trade Eric for a future FRP and see how this works. If Lauri can play the 3, Chet can easily do it. IF it doesn't work, there's an easy solution in trading Wood but this allows Chet to take his time to adapt to the physicality of the NBA. Only teams that would give him fits would be the ones with 3 guard lineups.

    KPJ / Nix
    Green / Gup
    Holmgren / KJ Martin /Matthews
    Wood / Tate
    Sengun / Garuba
     
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    That would be an interesting concept, would be fun to watch. I know we wouldn’t keep getting out rebounded every game
     
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    After years of being out rebounded and undersized it sure would be nice to be the larger team every night.

    You're also looking at 4 shooters on the court next to Sengun too which would be fun to use him as a heliocentric big man.
     
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    real nice game from banchero tonight. had barely any impact on both ends of the floor.

    pretty telling that aj griffin was the guy to take the big shots and bail out his team in the end.
     
  11. cmoak1982

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    This is the part that I’m nervous about with him. If his offense is off, what else does he offer?
     
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    Jamal Mashburn. A blast from the past. Interesting comp. I kinda felt like Banchero had a slightly bigger Melo vibe to him.
     
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    If Rockets have their druthers then Jabari/Chet have to be the choice.

    And I'd draft Griffin or even Ivey over Banchero.
     
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    Are you advocating trading Green and Sengun?

    Because spacing for Banchero-Green-Sengun when on floor together would be less than ideal especially in Silas 5 out offense.

    And the defense would be eye gougingly bad.

     
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    https://www.si.com/nba/2022/02/24/n...-paolo-banchero-chet-holmgren-top-80-rankings



    1. Jabari Smith Jr., F, Auburn | Freshman

    Height: 6' 10" | Weight: 220 | Age: 18 | Last rank: 1

    The case for Smith at No. 1 isn’t all that complicated: he’ll be arguably the best pure freshman jump shooter to enter the draft in years; he’s an excellent, switchable defender; his intangibles are strong; and he’s the youngest prospect in what’s become a consensus top four around the NBA. Smith’s jumper is an incredible base on which to stack other offensive skills. As he expands his array of moves, cleans up his footwork and tightens his handle, his potential is through the roof. He shouldn’t need to waste many dribbles to score efficiently, and can be immediately employed as a pick-and-pop scorer and dangerous floor spacer next season, at minimum. While Smith hasn’t gotten to the rim a ton, part of that has to do with Auburn’s style of play; as he adds strength and physically matures, that should change. He has strong instincts and few bad habits, and as he continues to add to his scoring repertoire, Smith could be a near-impossible cover by the time he hits his prime years. Historically speaking, he’d be a legit No. 1 pick candidate in most drafts.

    2. Paolo Banchero, F, Duke | Freshman

    Height: 6' 10" | Weight: 250 | Age: 19 | Last rank: 2

    Banchero has struggled a bit in conference play, but his mix of skill, size and versatility are strong calling cards, and he feels like a pretty safe bet to be a very good player. He’s had bouts of inefficiency, but as long as his jumper continues to improve over time, Banchero should be a dangerous offensive option and potential go-to guy who can make plays for others off the threat of his scoring. The holdup here is his lack of vertical lift in tight spaces, which hampers him both scoring around the rim and protecting it on the other end. Banchero isn’t super-versatile on defense and will primarily have to guard bigger forwards, and there’s some concern that his eventual value will be capped by whatever he gives up on that end. Still, his presence should open up things offensively for his teammates, and his ability to create mismatches with his strength and deceptive change of pace may translate right away. He’s got All-Star potential if things break right.

    3. Chet Holmgren, F, Gonzaga | Freshman

    Height: 7' 0" | Weight: 195 | Age: 19 | Last rank: 3

    Holmgren is the most unique prospect in this draft class, as a talented shot-blocker with guard-like skills wrapped up in a 7-foot package. There aren’t many bigs who can protect the basket, handle the ball, make plays in a pinch and space the floor, and Holmgren does all of those things at a high level for a big. His floor is pretty high, and his statistical case is undeniably strong, but he also plays in the West Coast Conference and wasn’t great in the few tough non-conference games Gonzaga played. Because of that and his uniquely thin build, there are salient concerns around the NBA as to exactly what degree everything will translate—other than lobs and simple finishes, his buckets often require a lot of physical effort, which places a heavy premium on him becoming a high-level jump shooter. But his real value should come on the defensive end, and his legitimate upside as a rim protector coupled with his variety of potential plus offensive skills has solidified him as a consensus top prospect.

    4. Jaden Ivey, G, Purdue | Sophomore

    Height: 6' 4" | Weight: 200 | Age: 20 | Last rank: 4

    In all likelihood, Ivey will be the first guard drafted in June, with the main question now being whether he’ll crash the top three. There’s star potential here: he’s extremely fast and strong, he puts a lot of pressure on defenses in transition, and the NBA’s style of play will open things up for him in a big way, particularly relative to Purdue’s scheme. His three-point shooting has come back to earth a bit, but he’s made definite strides in that area. He has the tools to be much better defensively than he is. A torrid stretch in late January/early February made plain his ability to take over games. Ivey still has to polish his passing, handling and decision-making and develop a better left hand, but it’s clear most teams will want to play him on the ball to try and maximize his ability—which also builds in risk. He’s been inconsistent, and there are lingering concerns about his spurts of selfish play and occasionally poor body language. Ivey’s upside is hard to deny, though, and he may rise from here as the draft draws closer.
     
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    Imagine thinking this kid can’t defend on the perimeter against guards and specially forwards lol.
    Not even mentioning the handles and face up game.
    He’s going number 1, hopefully we have that pick.
     
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