I'm just curious. What makes you think at least the second half of your sentence? Can you point to the last time I mentioned Harden? Rent free implies I still constantly talk about him. But the reality is that my opinion of Harden from seasons past is rent free in your head because I haven't mentioned him at all outside of when people explicitly call me out like now. So I guess my opinions are rent free in your head.
That would live up to my predraft expectations of him - undersized guard who can be efficient offensively, but a negative on defense due to physical limitations, and lacks the elite playmaking ability to make up for it on offense. If the February Jalen Green lasts for the rest of the year, he will be on track for one of his upside comps, Lavine or smaller Andrew Wiggins. That was not worthy of the #2 pick given who else was available, but I’d live with it, problem so far has been him failing to even meet that expectation. It’s been 8 games, hopefully he keeps it up. Those expecting Anthony Edwards second half numbers are delusional.
Anyone with half a brain would still take Mobley, is that a joke? Jalen Green’s last 8 games have been far from spectacular, he just hasn’t been a piss poor abomination which is what we’ve known him for the majority of the season. That’s how low the standards have fallen, you guys are strutting around like you won game 7 of the finals because he hasn’t shot 4/16 in a couple of games. I want to be hopeful of the improvement, that’s noteworthy because of how low he had to bounce from. But the actual production in the last 8 games? 17 points on good efficiency, still poor defense(tho better than before), and a whole lot of…nothing else? Definition of empty calorie scorer. Andrew Wiggins, Kevin Martin say hello.
I just gave people a heads up on what they'd end up seeing the rest of the season because especially back then we had a lot of people who bought into the idea that Jalen Green was NBA ready, that he was an "elite scorer". Instead what we saw was what I saw from him when I watched him in the G league. A guy who is super raw that got by on athleticism alone and was a streaky rather than good shooter. We now have a 43 game sample that shows I was right about him.....but sure, point to a handful of decent games as reason to think that he's actually amazing. Keep that hope alive, but I know you'll soon start discounting the entire rookie season, then maybe discounting the first 2 or 3 seasons. Anything to keep the delusion alive just a little bit longer.
I still don't get your logic my dude. Why would Jalen Green in his rookie season need to average 17 ppg on 60% ts to have a ceiling of Lavine when Lavine avenged 10 ppg on 51% ts his rookie year? They were the same age their rookie year also.
Just admit that you didnt like him man, you've been much more of a homer now(which I like) now that he's gone, its okay lol.
When 43 games is the entire sample size of someone's entire NBA career, a 8 game stretch of a trend is significant especially if it's literally the last 8 games. Your "heads up" is nothing more than a double standard. You literally used his first few games of his career to tell everyone "told ya so".
I definitely didn't like his game evolving into the play style that was predominant his last couple of seasons here.
Green is not going to average 17 on 60% for his rookie year. The question was can he average that in the remaining 28 games or so, which would bring his season average up from the current depths. It would bring his efficiency likely above rookie Lavine, but much lower assist rate and playmaking. Lavine is one of the few examples that also had advanced numbers almost as bad as Green, winshare, bpm, raptor etc. So there is hope yet, 5 years down the road and possibly on a different team.
Jalen Green averages right now as we speak 5 more ppg on the same exact ts%. If he continues the trend for the rest of the season that gap in scoring will increase and he will create an efficiency gap. So that means he'll average around 6 more ppg on higher efficiency. That is a SIGNIFICANT difference that absolutely dwarfs any miniscule difference in assist rate. So ya your logic just doesn't Kobe with me. He definitely is showing that he absolutely can be a more lethal scorer than Lavine. His ceiling is definitely higher than Lavine. But at the same time he could end up at Lavine's level. But looking at their rookie campaigns, nothing should suggest that his ceiling is Lavine when there is such a significant gap in pt production for their rookie campaigns.
Jalen green has worse advanced numbers across the board compared to rookie Lavine, but roughly in the same ball park of badness and can be equal if he keeps up the last 8 games, which is why I said on track if. The only reason he scores more ppg than Lavine is because he gets to shoot more and plays more minutes.
More minutes and more attempts doesn't account for him scoring 5 more ppg ON THE SAME EFFICIENCY. If the same rookie Lavine upped his attempts it would not stay at 51%ts. It would drop. And if Green counties his elite efficiency of the past 8 games, that efficiency gap will widen along with the scoring gap. His massive scoring gap on the same efficiency says a lot more than any difference in advanced stats that have more confounding factors.
No, it's not. You've done this before, he had a couple fluke good games, you attempted to take a tiny sample heavily skewed by the few fluke games and suggest he was "turning a corner" only for him to continue being terrible at basketball. I imagine you'll do this pretty much any time there's a fluke decent game. Funny enough, you know who you could do this with? Corey Brewer. If you took tiny samples of his fluke good games, you could make the exact same case you're trying to make for Green. Since you've done this before, I'm saying MAYBE this time you wait to see if he can sustain even decent one way play for more than a few games in an 8 game sample before going crazy. If he manages to spring together a 20 game sample of at least decent one way play, then we can start talking. Right now the "ignore everything else because he had 3 decent games in the last 8" is coming off extremely desperate.
Kudos, you have clearly grown from your Marcus Morris days. = I do think Wiggins is going to experience a second spring.....he isn't skinny like Martin and Green. He isn't Antman but good enough.
Again you are just full of BS. Kevin Martin wasn't in the league at 19. His rookie year he was 21 and averaged 2 ppg. Why do you keep on making these stupid ass comparisons? If Green in two years still has the same amount of assists as turnovers per game then we can speak. But for goodness sakes have some God damn perspective.
Corey Brewer (joins two years older than Green btw) rookie year: 6 ppg on 42% ts. Green two years younger: 15 ppg on 52% ts. His last 8 games he's averaging 17 ppg on 60% ts. That's 20% of his NBA career. You were willing to call him the next Corey Brewer after 3 games and I'm willing to say his ceiling is higher than Zack Lavine. You are the one making definitive absurd claims, not me.
