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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    The Democrats are doubling down on stupid. Climate change policies got us into this mess by raising oil prices which helped lead to this Russian invasion.

    John Kerry fears Russia-Ukraine war will distract from climate change

     
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    This guy is not very bright but he thinks he’s a genius. I tried to explain to him in another thread about the Chinese spy poster that goes by adoo, how adoo is always trying to tie Trump and his family’s dealings to the CCP to mislead posters in here, because the real traitors that sold us out to China are Brandon, Hunter and the rest of the Dems.
     
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  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Why didn't we just guarantee no NATO for Ukraine for now, and let Putin die, then integrate them?

    DD
     
  4. Zboy

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    Exaggerate much? COD has better graphics.
     
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    "Trump was feared"...could be the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    Accountability? ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME?

    Accountability for Trump? The guy who ran a fake Children's charity? The guy who ran a fake University? The guy who was sued twice for sex with a 13 year old girl? The guy who had to pay fines TWICE for money laundering in his casinos? The guy who broke the emoluments clause and enriched himself at our countries expense.

    TRUMP is a ****ING CROOK - and should be tried as a traitor to this country, and anyone that thinks he is anything else is simply full of **** - and refusing to look at the FACTS.

    It is not a DEMOCRAT vs GOP thing - Trump is PRO dictatorships - he is a traitor.......

    Unreal the BULLSHIT some of his idiot supporters say after the fact.....the guy could be balls deep in their wives and they would still support him.

    You know why Trump is so Orange, he got it from smooching Putin's ass!

    DD
     
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  7. justtxyank

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    There has been no movement on bringing Ukraine into NATO. That is a fig leaf for Putin.
     
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  8. jo mama

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    so your cost of living also increased by 50% due to bidens green energy agenda?

    also, who wears depends again?
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  9. DaDakota

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    Actually I think in 2014, when we said eventually Ukraine would be a part of NATO and we refused to guarantee it would never be in NATO....this for Russia (and I am not making excuses) is equivalent to parking missiles on it's own borders ala the Cuban missile crisis.

    The mistake was ever electing an idiotic failed TV star as President, when he is known to be crooked his entire life. What we didn't count on was so many American's being unable to think critically for themselves and try to elect a dictator...

    Good thing more than 7 million figured it out......and kicked his ass to the curb by the 2nd term.

    DD
     
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  10. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Or shows you how much garbage information you've been fed and believe in. I hope for your own sake you can actually realize how much you've been duped.
     
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    Ted Cruz fears him
     
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    Let’s just ignore the fact that Nixon, a Republican, opened up to China. If you had six functioning brain cells left I’d be surprise.
     
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  13. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Right year wrong reason. It was 2014, but not because of NATO directly but rather the Maiden Revolution when Ukrainians protested and kicked out the pro-Russian gov't. That is what upset Putin and freaked them him out.
     
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  14. justtxyank

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    1) NATO is a defensive alliance. The only "risk" to Russia of NATO accepting Ukraine is that it would mean Russia would have to fight the world if it wanted to occupy Ukraine. Soviets parking weapons in Cuba is not close to the same thing. Russia was positioning itself for first strike capability against the United States.

    2) Regardless of rhetoric, Ukraine has not been advanced forward with regards to NATO membership in large part to pacify Putin.

    3) It defies logic to think that Putin would Ukraine alone if the USA promised it would not defend Ukraine.

    4) Important missing information is that Ukraine overthrew their puppet government. Prior to that Putin had a level of control/power over Ukraine even if he didn't occupy it. Losing that power is what has set all of this in motion. He has worked through various means since then to get that power back. He has backed political movements, separatists movements and now an invasion. He wants control of Ukraine, he's very open about it. He throws the NATO thing out there, but in his full comments he spends much more time OPENLY admitting that he doesn't believe Ukraine is a sovereign nation and that it is by right part of Russia.
     
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  15. DaDakota

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    Yes, but somewhere NATO said we would go there eventually - this will have to end militarily - if we let Putin Consolidate in the Ukraine he won't leave - if we want NATO in the UKRAINE we should act like it is already part of it......they are reaching out for support - the only thing Putin will understand is a show of force.

    If we don't want war, and I don't then I believe the Ukraine is done for....we can send all the supplies we want but without tanks and warbirds, they are toast.

    DD
     
  16. justtxyank

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    This exactly. His efforts to get control of Ukraine have been escalating since then. He seized Ukraine, he's backed political efforts to retake the government and then he outright backed a separatist war. It wasn't working. Now he's moved on to the next step. His rhetoric around Ukraine is very telling and should not be ignored. He has long lamented that Ukraine became independent.
     
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  17. DaDakota

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    He is also worried that if they join Nato our missiles are at his doorstep.

    DD
     
  18. couple of d's

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    Praying for the people of Ukraine. Lots of innocent people are going to die from this :(
     
  19. Astrodome

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    Let's get the Keystone XL project going again.
     
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    imagine seeing that **** outside of your window with a child inside in the year 2022. horrible
     

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