And the more valuable part? Are you confident Allen going into RFA was a more valuable asset than Capela was 2 years ago?
the more valuable part? uhh the fact that he's still on his rookie deal, being a 22 year old, and producing solid numbers wherever hes been to that point. all that is just common sense. Capela was just locked into his new multi year deal and i guess you're forgetting he had foot injuries where he couldn't even play for months when he was traded
He was going into RFA though. It was the last year of his rookie deal and teams getting him knew they'd have to pay him. If he still had years left on his rookie deal I'd have a different opinion on his value.
doesn't matter. RFA still gives you options. the rockets panicked and settled. and being so short sighted, they got a shitty deal
Maybe they did. I'm asking what you think they could have gotten for him. Compare it to the Capela trade, compare it to other trades for players going into RFA, or whatever else you think is relevant. What do you think they should have gotten for Allen if they traded him?
it doesn't really matter. I just know settling for an embarrassing bucks pick was a joke. Why do we need to compare to a Capela trade. Their situations were completely different There's no same trade. that's not how it works. You're literally repeating yourself
I'm not saying there was a same trade. I'm just throwing out comparisons. If you think the Rockets settled for an embarrassing Bucks pick, what do you think isn't an embarrassing trade? You don't have an idea of what they should have got?
more repeating yourself. i guess last picks in the 1st round is great to you for a 22 all star caliber center So lets play your game too. You don't have an idea whether or not they could have gotten way better picks or even a serviceable player.
No not great to me. But I can see how it's the most they could have gotten for Allen going into RFA. Teams are usually hesitant to trade unprotected future firsts. There are normally protections because you don't know what could happen. Could the Rockets have gotten better? Maybe. But I'd imagine they called around the league and found the best offer they could get. Multiple unprotected firsts are rarely traded so I'd be surprised if anybody offered that for Allen. I see room for improvement but not a lot.
I don't. especially when he is/was clearly the next best player involved in that Harden package. This FO and ownership has proven they've sucked since Tilman has been here. There's no reason for anyone to say they called around and took the best offer. Stop automatically assuming they did their best. They haven't been doing their best for quite awhile. There's a reason why the rockets are the worst team in the league and have made dumb decisions left and right
It was a trade for picks and not for players. But I'm open to the idea that the Rockets could have gotten more. I just don't know what that is when I think about previous trades in the league. That's why I'm asking you what you think they could have gotten for him. Maybe I'm missing something.
Ok. I'm genuinely confused why you won't say what you think was good value for Allen in a trade but I realize you never will. Let's keep those fingers crossed for a 24 play in birth.
The Cavs also played better than expected. It's misunderstanding probability because you can't just change one specific feature, you need to resimulate every possible world state. Doing as you describe simply adds noise to the data, and doesn't probabilistically describe anything at all.
We had a 52% of keeping our pick or a coin flip. We flip a coin again and there’s a decent chance we don’t keep our pick last year. It’s certainly possible we would be able to have our cake and eat it too, but also possible we end up with JA and give out pick to OKC.
He's trying to pull a gotcha with a very bad trade comparison - a younger healthier JA to injured Capela. Context matters.
BUT Capela was already locked it in at a very reasonable number and had more of a track record as a starter. With Allen you knew you could re-sign him for some number but if you are another team and trade for him and he played really well maybe in last year’s shallow FA you are committed to like 5/125 if a team really comes over the top with an offer sheet vs the 3/50 left on Clint’s deal going into the next season after his trade to Atlanta.
Nobody is trying to pull a gotcha. Capela is a valuable young center that the Rockets recently traded. If you or YOLO wants to throw out a more comparable player or trade then go ahead. If you think a trade is bad value I think you should be able to explain why. There are tons of trades made in the NBA that can give you an indication of what a player would/should go for. If I think a trade is bad value I will be able to explain why I think that based on what similar players in similar situations have gone for. What do you think good value for JA would have been last year?
