Banchero is super gifted with the ball But I'm starting to get that yucky "big guy drafted high with hopes he learns to play defence" vibe Horrid versions are Bagley or Jahil Okafur Bad versions Jabari Parker or Beasley
man, i'm really wary of banchero. he doesn't show any elite explosion to get by his man in college, and yet doesn't necessarily have the elite jumpshot or the footwork to score at will. he's just scoring at a decent clip right now bc he's physically more developed than other ncaa players and has decent handles for a big who can blow by slower 4s and 5s in college - i don't think that'll happen quite as often in the nba. defensively, he's kinda like cwood in that he's caught napping, or he'll position himself wrong... just doesn't seem to have the defensive iq to develop some sort of base to work on. but what worries me most is that i just don't know if he has the right mental/character makeup. knowing that all eyes are on him, and yet still getting caught abetting drugs with coach k's grandson (of all people)... does he really think he's on some higher moral ground than everyone else that he can just get away with ****? sadly, and unsurprisingly, duke let him off the hook with absolutely no punishment. i'm worried this kid has self-entitlement issues... and frankly, the more i see him play combined with his character, i'm really getting michael beasley vibes.
Its interesting to hear that Banchero is a bad defender and Jabari Smith is a good defender. Did everyone know that Paolo Banchero has a defensive win share value of 2.0 vs Jabari Smith's DWS of 1.8? Defensive rating only separates them by a point or two. Chets defense is pretty damn good right? His DWS sits at 2.4. Banchero leads the Blue Devils in usage and has also accounted for more points produced than either these two guys AND is equal to a guard like Jaden Ivey in that regard (441vs442PPROD). As far as breaking his man off the dribble, playmaking/shot creation. Deep bag of moves inside the arc. Banchero is in his own tier there. He will be more than a 3&D player and yet offer so much more on offense while being at worst a serviceable defender. The two man game with Sengun and Banchero would be phenomenal. For the record Coach K's son and Paolo Banchero were not involved with any drug incident. Paolo allowed Savarino to drive his car intoxicated. It was definitely a lapse in judgement, but in no way an indicator of moral decay.
That is the concern with him, and there are some questions about his outside shot. He still has a lot of upside offensively like you point out, and if he is the pick I will be excited but will be really worried about the defensive side. He reminds me of a lot of Jamal Mashburn, who was a couple inches shorter but similar strength and actually longer.
I think I would take Ivey over Banchero. I'm really hoping we don't land on 3 and have to make that call. Really really hoping for 1 or 2. If we drop, might start trying to justify taking Griffin at that point. High potential of looking stupid.
From The Dream Shake ... Rockets draft discussion with scout Tobias Bass and Rafael Barlowe of NBA Draft Junkies Paola Banchero could be an excellent pick for the Rockets, as he already has an NBA body at 6’10”. He does everything for Duke offensively and can play one through five on offense because of his versatility. Banchero averages 16.9 points, 8.5 rebounds, and 2.8 assists per game while shooting 47.0 percent from the field. Although he shoots 31 percent from three, Banchero does a great job of spacing the floor with his shooting and passing. He can initiate Duke’s offense as a screener or ball handler. And make tough shots with his back to the basket, as he is shooting 52.4 percent from midrange. He is also a creative shot maker and has great body control at the rim. Banchero isn’t a scrub on defense, as he has a 90.9 defensive rating. He does a phenomenal job of guarding one through five on defense and plays the pick-and-roll well as a switch defender or in drop coverage. Hopefully, he found a way to control losing his weight while sweating because that is a risk for any team in the NBA
Why must you always take these things personally? Paolo level of competition has been higher than Holmgren, and he has shown much more versatility on offense than Chet, the fact that you can't even admit that shows you are not trying to be unbiased. This is my last time engaging with you on this subject because you are not even trying to have a rational conversation anymore. Your Holmgren worship is bizarre.
Sounds an awful lot like a young Lebron, the only difference is not being an explosive athlete and not as great a passer.
It isn’t personal. You, yourself have said you haven’t watched film on Chet. Chet has played far more high level games than Paolo. It’s not even debatable. You shouldn’t comment on things you are so ignorant on. The weird thing is your obsession with propping up Paolo, he’s not the prospect Chet or Jabari are.
You’re delusional. He’s not a playmaker for others. He’s a score first big. His comp is Julius Randle/Juwan Howard with handles. High side is a less athletic Melo.
From the games I have seen, Banchero is an average defender, but trending above average. (Same goes for AJ Griffin, FWIW.). It is hard to guess how well Banchero's defense will translate in the NBA ... but ... he has the potential to be a good defender. I watched some Jabari Smith games as well. He plays for a great team and is not the number 1 option on offense, which leaves one to wonder how well he could carry that load. Jabari's shot is a thing of beauty, that should easily translate to the NBA. I honestly was nonplussed by Jabari's defense especially on the perimeter and did not see what others have hyped. Chet Holmgren is a complete mystery to me. He has crazy good on and off the ball paint defense. And he shoots an insane 3P%. There has just been a long list of tall skinny dudes that don't make it in the NBA.
I think Chet is my favorite prospect ever. He is an absolute anomaly and makes no sense. I don't care about his weight. I think he should stay skinny and play the forward spots for his whole career. Let him be the mismatch. He backs down from nothing and has a swagger about him that I've never seen in a "big" man. Dude has the tenacity of Patrick Beverley out there. I was beating the Jabari drum as loud as I could and think he's probably the better fit and may even end up the better player, but Chet is such a joy to watch. I want him on the Rockets. I want to watch whatever his career turns into on a nightly basis.
actually watch the games with intent instead of merely watching casually and citing box score stats and ratings. you'll notice how banchero never really gets in a low defensive stance and doesn't move laterally well enough to even keep up with college guards.. he doesn't know how to hedge, is often out of position or ball watching, and depends a lot on his teammates to cover up for his defensive lapses. helps that he has a bunch of other 5 star recruits going up against a generally weak ACC conference... and even if he was dominating defensively, people would still have questions about his defense and how it would translate to the nba due to his lack of footspeed. i'd much rather take his teammate, aj griffin, or jaden ivey if both jabari and chet are off the board. griffin has all the tools offensively and is a much better shooter than banchero. on defense, griffin is a lot more hyper-focused and plays with way more intensity and consistency to be a game-changer on that end than banchero. whichever team gets stuck with banchero or mathurin, good luck to them. it's gonna take a giant effort to get them to buy-in consistently on both ends of the floor and not become the next michael beasley and ben mclemore. not saying they can't be stars, but so many things have to align and click that there is way too much developmental risk attached. sure hope it ain't the rockets stuck with that problem.
I’m with lots of y’all. I am not super impressed by Paolo defensively. I’m not super impressed by him offensively. I’m am well aware that he’s a capable skilled athletic big that should have success in the NBA… but… Chet is insane. He impacts the game in all the little ways that impact winning while also being as efficient a scorer as you’ll see. Scoring, rebounding, passing, insane defense, high bball iq, great demeanor. the physique is a legit real issue. One accidental fall into those legs and his career could be derailed permanently. All players have this risk but it certainly seems higher with Chet. if Chet had Mobley’s physique or imagine if he had Ayton’s physique coming out of college but everything else about his game was the exact same… he’s be the no doubt number one pick AND in fact one of those number one picks where you’d be like “franchise changer!”, “once in a decade #1 pick” type guys. If he falls to the rockets hard to see how the pass on him. him combined with Alpi at the 4/5 would be incredible.
Thanks for letting me know you have not seen Banchero play at all, you keep embarrassing yourself comping him to Randle makes me think you don't know **** about basketball. Did you really say less athletic, Melo? I know you are just trolling now. He has been a playmaker for others since he was in High School. This is bullshit and if Banchero plays in a weak ACC what does that say for Holmgren's competition? Banchero plays hard all the time and does more than Griffin who is mainly a spot up shooter, you don't average 8.5 rebounds a game playing next to Williams if are just watching everybody else, nobody and I mean nobody has said Banchero does not give effort. It's amazing the BS people come up with to knock a guy, it's like people think his games are not playing nationwide on TV. Beasley? Mclemore? da ****?
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/paolo-banchero/ Here you go idiot. I’ve watched every single minute of every game he has played. He is not a playmaker, he has some decent assist games but not a playmaker. You’re the troll trying to compare him to Lebron, Paolo is an average athlete and can pass if forced to. He isn’t Lebron.
WTF do you think that proves? Who the **** is Evan Tomes? Is that you? And this is what Tomes said about him athletically: Great mobility and very well coordinated … Good athlete, elevates well at the rim with good timing and body control that translates well in games. At least now I know where you get your wack as takes and even then he gave him an 8 athletically, did your dumb ass even read the link? Gues who he compares Holmgren too. NBA Comparison: Kristaps Porzingis https://www.nbadraft.net/players/chet-holmgren/
It shows you’re an idiot. You’re comparing him to Lebron when literally no one has compared him to Lebron. Paolo is the least athletic of the top 3, specially laterally. He’s fluid and a solid athlete, but not elite at anything really. What do you have against Chet? He’s been the number 1 prospect for years now. You have said multiple times you haven’t watched him but disparage him at every turn. It’s getting a little weird now. What is it? Starting to get real suspect
Also, you’re so far in the minority when it comes to this that you have to wonder who has “whack” takes. You just aren’t very smart. You continuously prove your basketball knowledge is lacking.
