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Jarrett Allen, the Rocket who isn't

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by topfive, Jan 14, 2021.

  1. Icehouse

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    What facts do you have to show that he wouldn't have?

    What facts do you have to show that adding LeVert and Allen to "Wood who was playing at MIP and even All Star consideration" wouldn't lead to more wins?

    Exactly. Maybe you can start posting some as it relates to this? Are you still sticking with your fact that it was best to give ourselves 5th best lotto odds (what the Cavs had) to try and keep a top 4 protected pick?
     
  2. D-rock

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    Steven Silas was the HC of the Rockets.

    Fact.

     
  3. D-rock

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    JA had a very good season with Cavs last season.

    But with the Rockets and playing in Silas 5 out system then JA would not have had nearly as successful a season.

    Likely JA asking price goes down.

    But at the very least, 20M for JA is much more value than 15M for Theis & Nwaba.
     
  4. D-rock

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    With Silas as HC and Stone as GM, I am certain Rockets would still be at bottom of NBA last season.

    Expect similar pathetic results this season, next season and for foreseeable future.



     
  5. D-rock

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    The difference is still 5M.

    And Tilman can still trade that paltry 20M as easy or easier than the similar or even larger salaries of CP3, Capela, Westbrook, Harden, Dipo, etc.
     
  6. D-rock

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    Pacers not only had better individual players (Brogdon, Sabonis, Turner, Warren) they also had the better TEAM last season, with and without LeVert.

    Cavs also have the more talented team and better coach remember?

    CF has insisted most stringently that this is the ONLY reason why Mobley has been successful with the Cavs.

    I have read over and over again that Cavs was the "perfect situation" for Mobley.

    Rockets less talented roster, less talented coach, less talented FO, bad system fit + historic injuries to entire team would ensure that neither JA or LeVert would have had ZERO impact on Rockets ability to utterly suck at historic levels.

    Last season was not that long ago, have you so easily forgotten how inept the Rockets were?

    Even a weaponized Olynyk could not lift this sinking and stinking carcass of a franchise out of the depths of ineptitude.

     
  7. Icehouse

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    I read this post and your other one. So...you pretty much have no facts? I understand your opinion, but you keep talking about facts. In case you forgot:

    noun
    1. a thing that is known or proved to be true.
    And you still have yet to address the logic behind giving yourself worse odds to keep your top 4 pick (ie finishing 5th like the Cavs did). I'm really waiting to hear the logic of planning to give yourself worse odds in a lottery system.
     
  8. Reeko

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    it’s only a 5 mil difference on an annual basis for 2 years, but over the life of the contract it’s over 50 mil more he’d be paying in comparison to Theis and Nwaba, and this is for JA who was not an All-Star last season, and would be nowhere close to being an All-Star in Houston

    Tilman’s not doing it
     
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  9. D-rock

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    Perhaps you are right that Tilman and Stone would be too stupid to realize a $20M contract for 5 years is peanuts for a young starter on verge of All Star.

    Especially if willing to pay for Theis contract of over 8M for 4 years + another scrub like Nwaba for similar amount and duration is okay.
     
  10. riko

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    Allen is young and better then any of those picks will ever be .
     
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  11. D-rock

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    Reading is fundamental.

    Steven Silas is HC of the Houston Rockets.

    FACT.

    Steven Silas runs a 5 out system.

    FACT.

    Steven Silas is responsible for the worst losing season and longest consecutive losses in Rockets half century of existence.

    FACT.

    Steven Silas is on pace to lose as many games as last season.

    FACT.

    Cavs record has no bearing on the incompetence of Rockets coaching staff.

    FACT.
     
  12. Icehouse

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    It is. You should recognize that. Start with the meaning of the word “fact”. I posted it for you.

    Silas being our coach is a fact. You are assuming that Allen/LeVert couldn’t help the team win more games in his system. That’s not a fact.

    You are assuming that Allen/LeVert, players that you conclude have higher value, couldn’t help the team win more games. That’s not a fact. What is factual is both players helped their teams win games at a higher rate than we won all season.

    You are assuming that we would be on that same pace with Allen/LeVert, players that you conclude have higher value, or what we could have flipped them for. That’s not a fact. And the results this season, with us playing a ton of kids and trying to convert a player to PG, have nada to do with last year.

    You brought up the Cavs lotto finish, noting that they had Allen and still finished top 4. They finished 5th record wise and moved up in the lotto. Planning to keep your top 4 protected pick by finishing 5th and giving yourself worse odds is dumb. You know it’s dumb, and that’s why you are avoiding it.
     
  13. Icehouse

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    A player making a top 12% league wide salary is not peanuts.
     
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    At times I think Silas uses the 5 Out as an excuse for everything, as an object to hide behind at all times.
     
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    An already all star at 23 years old, full time starting center making only $20 mil per is pretty much peanuts. and they're only tied into that for only 4 more years. Had he been up for a deal this summer, no way are they getting away with only offering JA $20 mil per.

    Gobert, towns, jokic, embiid all make $31 mil plus per. Bam is in this same category as his deal balloons every year for the next 5 years

    Horford/Vucevic laughably make more that JA at $27/$24 mil per.

    JA is better than every other starting center in the league outside of Ayton still on his rookie deal who will easily get more than $20 per.

    it's clear you don't understand the league market. especially when you group centers in with every single other position in the league. newsflash there's a market value set for each type of player.
     
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    It's not "peanuts" when you have the cap situation that the Rockets have this year. If we were going to retool around Ben Simmons/some other high level player and compete then it would make sense but we went with a rebuild.

    I just don't see the wisdom in giving out $100 million contracts to centers when you are a bottom 3 team with a potentially multi- season rebuild.
     
  17. D-rock

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    Everything you quoted of my posts is a FACT.

    Just because you don't accept these facts does not make it any less of a fact.

    It just means you are stupid AF.

     
  18. Mathloom

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    Honestly, I don't want any more starters who can't shoot until a team that starts such a player in the 4th quarters of the playoffs wins a title. Last time a team didn't have a shooting 5 in its 4th quarter playoff line up was 2014 Spurs. That's 8 years ago. Since then Draymond is the worst shooting 4th quarter C to win it.

    Like, if you have a blank canvas, why would you install a defect? Because someone had some regular season success with it?

    Would have been nice to get Allen, let him pad stats in the regular season and then flip him. But as far as long term pieces for this team, let's just not do that.
     
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  19. YOLO

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    Folks need to stop acting like $20 per for 4 more years, for a 23 young all star big is keeping the rockets from doing remotely anything. Especially when the rockets have been signing players to dumb contracts to begin with led by this dumb FO and ownership
     
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  20. D-rock

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    Exactly.

    Context matters.
     

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