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Update: Canadian Truckers Rule : AroundtheWorld > ScamFaker

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  1. MojoMan

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    Doesn’t look anything like Trump. Cartoonist should try a different job.
     
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    Canada is the canary in the coalmine.

    Every globalist leader wants to create a Central Bank Digital Currency where the government custodians your account and can freeze/seize/garnish/block transactions without a warrant.

    Bitcoin is the only way through.

     
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    Link?
     
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    I am sure that opinion pieces from the WSJ are the top list of what drives Canadians thinking.
     
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    OK, thanks for sharing your opinion.

    Here is the article.

    Trudeau’s Destructive ‘Emergency’
    The truckers protest could have been handled without abusing the law.


    When former Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau invoked emergency powers in peacetime in 1970, he was accused of “using a sledgehammer to crack a peanut.” Fifty-two years later, his son, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, has repeated the mistake.

    The truckers protest against vaccine mandates, vilified by Mr. Trudeau as “racist” and “violent,” has been peaceful, but not every peaceful protest is legal. Blocking roads and border crossings disrupts lives and commerce. Government’s job is to maintain public order while respecting civil liberties.

    Canada has failed on both scores. For weeks authorities tried to wish away the problem. When that failed, Mr. Trudeau overreached, invoking new powers before Canadian jurisdictions had tried to enforce existing law. Ottawa police chief Peter Sloly was a progressive reformer. He criticizes the “reactive enforcement model” of policing, and when truckers took over his downtown, he failed to react. Mr. Sloly resigned Tuesday.

    On Thursday Ottawa police, with provincial and federal help, finally came out in numbers, blocked highway exits, set up a perimeter and checkpoints and arrested blockade leaders. All of this could have been done under existing law. On Friday police began mopping up the protests methodically, with occasional scuffles and use of pepper spray. This too could have been done, albeit differentiating between the lawful and unlawful, and without threatening media with arrest for covering the action.



    Mr. Trudeau justifies the “public-order emergency” by inflating the protest into a terrorist plot to overthrow government. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association disagrees and sued Thursday. It says the standards for an emergency—“threat or use of acts of serious violence against persons or property” that “seriously endangers the lives, health or safety of Canadians” beyond “the capacity or authority of a province to deal with it”—are not met.

    Protests aren’t emergencies, and Western leaders had better get used to handling civil disobedience firmly without traducing civil liberties. Mr. Trudeau criminalized a protest movement, deputizing financial institutions, without due process or liability, to find and freeze personal accounts of blockaders and anyone who helps them. These extraordinary measures are a needless abuse of power.

    Toronto limited the problem by closing downtown roads. Blockades at crucial border crossings were allowed to drag on and cost the North American auto industry hundreds of millions of dollars. Yet when police finally acted, border blockades dispersed peacefully, no emergency powers needed. One ended with handshakes between police and protesters.

    Weak responses to civil disobedience have hurt Canada for years. New gas pipelines are increasingly stymied by blockades, often by green or aboriginal activists. On Thursday men wielding axes attacked a pipeline drill site and its workers in British Columbia. That’s worse than anything the truckers have done.

    In early 2020 Mr. Trudeau urged dialogue with pipeline blockaders. Facing Black Lives Matter protests in violation of Covid rules in June 2020, Mr. Trudeau joined in. But with the truckers, the Prime Minister refused to meet or compromise. Even as province after province ends Covid restrictions, he drags his feet.

    When the Emergencies Act was first passed, critics were assured “emergency powers can only be used when the situation is so drastic that no other law of Canada can deal with the situation.” In abusing these powers for a nonemergency, Mr. Trudeau crossed a democratic line. Canadians wanted the blockades to end, but it never should have come at the expense of the rule of law.



     
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    If I was a Canadian I would be concerned about these sweeping emergency powers and on the face of it they do appear to violate the principles of civil liberties. At the same time as someone who had to deal with my city being rocked by protests and traffic blockades not just in 2020 but also in previous years following the shootings of Jamar Clark and Philando Castille along with the Occupy movement I very much sympathize with the people of Ottawa and Windsor.

    Trudeau's attitude and actions appear to me to be somewhat similar to how Jacob Frey the mayor of Minneapolis did following the killing of George Floyd. He hesitated and allowed things to get worse before he finally took strong action. The same could be said for several other mayors and governors. I still think it was foolish of the mayor of Seattle to allow part of the city to become it's own autonomous zone for weeks.

    I find it hypocritical though for those who called these protesters "freedom fighters" to accuse Trudeau of having a weak initial response and hesitating.

    What is worse is the many politicians here in the US who back in 2020 called traffic blockades and other protests as a grave economic threat and a threat to public safety. Who called for and enacted similar policies to what Canadian authorities are doing. Who even passed new laws against blocking traffic during protests. Now not only praising the protests in Canada but calling for similar protests in the US.
     
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    I would agree with you that in general, politicians way too often and too much determine the standard by which they want to allow or prohibit protest based on whether they like the cause of the protesters or not. I think that's wrong, and it should be checked by courts.

    But Trudeau went far beyond that.
     
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    Based on my understanding of events. I have no problem Trudeau using emergency powers. The exigencies of the circumstances called for it.

    He didn’t manufacture an excuse to use those powers. A moment in history was thrust upon him and he had to make a decision and I don’t think the one he made was in error.
     
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    Show of hands, how many here plan to move to Canada just so they can give Trudeau the what-for in the next election?
     
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    The question I have though is did he need to take emergency powers or could this have been resolved using existing Canadian laws. It sounds like there might've been other legal options to deal with the protest with out declaring a national emergency.

    I also find it concerning that some Canadian politicians are calling for keeping the national emergency indefinitely.
     
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