1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Forcing children to wear a mask is child abuse. The Left failed children.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 31, 2022.

  1. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
  2. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281




    This is not "science". It's politics.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
  4. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281


    DD and some of the usual suspects: The kids are fine, they love wearing masks.

     
  5. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
  6. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
  7. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mask-mandate-map-february-2022-n1289093

    Nearly half of state mask mandates have ended in the past 3 weeks
    The mandate in California for those who are vaccinated expires Tuesday.

    The changes come despite the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s continuing recommendation that masks be used indoors in most of the country.

    [​IMG]

    So...@NewRoxFan - has "the science" changed in some states, but not in others?
     
  8. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    55,794
    Likes Received:
    55,868
    I suspect some are reacting to reducing numbers (cases, hospitalizations, deaths) and predicted reductions in those numbers. And hopefully those numbers will continue. I also suspect some decisions are being made based on politics. Again, hopefully the numbers will continue to support these decisions.

    Because, we have already seen in the relatively short history of COVID-19 some decisions were made too hastily, restrictions were lifted too soon, and the numbers suddenly rose. Again, hopefully that doesn't happen in this case. Because if it does, many that are making these decisions will likely not take responsibility. We have seen that here in Texas. And certainly won't expect those most vocal critical of anti-COVID-19 policies to accept their share of responsibility for any increases in infections.
     
  9. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    58,167
    Likes Received:
    48,334
    As I said in the "It's over" thread, politicians will act on politics..

    The removing of mask and other mandates though is backed by data so there is good reason to do it and not just because Democratic governors are acting spineless.

    Anyway isn't this what we want our elected leaders to do? Look at the evidence and listen to the people and make a decision taking both into account.

    We just can't get away from ideology and partisanship to take the win...
     
    jiggyfly and Rocketman95 like this.
  10. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    55,794
    Likes Received:
    55,868
    It has certainly been over "politics"...

     
    Rocketman95 likes this.
  11. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
    "the evidence"
    "the science"

    Rarely have these terms been instrumentalized more than by politicians granting themselves emergency powers in this pandemic.

    Scientists who didn't agree with what these politicians wanted to achieve were ostracized, deplatformed, censored and slandered aggressively.

    Stop pretending there is consensus among scientists and that there is one specific group among scientists/experts that owns the truth.
     
  12. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    58,167
    Likes Received:
    48,334
    So what do you want? Do you want these Democratic governors to NOT LIFT MANDATES because there isn't consensus?

    You're making my point. You can't just take the win for something that you are pushing for just because you continue to want to press ideological grievance.
     
  13. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
    I want measures and mandates to end, and I want power-hungry politicians to be stopped who use the "science" argument by pretending that only the panic-mongering scientists represent "evidence" and "science". I also want society to understand how ridiculous some of the measures enacted really were and how politicians used fear to curtail civil liberties. I want society to learn from this and curtail powers of politicians. Checks and balances didn't fully work in many countries. Constitutional courts colluded with politicians, rather than checking their powers. And so on.

    Also, I am pointing out that those posters who were arguing for mandates and "measures" (restrictions on civil liberties) based on "science" only days ago now seem to pretend that "science" has changed and that there is new evidence. No, that is not true. The evidence has been there. Politicians are just backpedaling for now because they can feel that the tide will be turning against them if they don't.
     
  14. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
    Elon was 100 % right when he retweeted this.

     
  15. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    58,167
    Likes Received:
    48,334
    So you don't want these measure to end because you didn't agree with how political leaders decided to institute them in the first place?

    You're just giving a laundry list of grievances when you're getting what you want.
    Ah so it's about getting back at other Clutchfans. Yes even more reason to criticize Democrats for lifting mandates.

    This is just another example of how many are twisting themselves into rhetorical pretzels over this.
    "I WANT MANDATES TAKEN DOWN!"
    "Ok mandates are coming down..."
    "ANGRY NOISES!"

    And if by science you mean hard data, yes that is changing. I don't know how many times I need to post this:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=COV...512j69i60l3.8129j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
    New infection numbers are plummeting. There is much more evidence now that vaccination and previous infection give protection from severe disease. The "science" is showing that while COVID isn't gone we are getting to where we can deal with it.

    That doesn't mean there might not be a new variant that changes things. As we should all know things change and can change fast. The problem though is that I agree there are social and economic costs to keeping these measures going for something we don't know when or if it will happen.

    Again this is ignorance of science on all sides. Science isn't about certainties so yes things change and predictions don't always pan out. From the policy standpoint you have to consider what likelihoods there are. With a NOVEL DISEASE it should've been completely expected that things would change as we learn more about it.
     
  16. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    58,167
    Likes Received:
    48,334
    Also just to point out I'm not picking on you just because you're ideologically not aligned with me. I made very similar arguments towards "progressives" over infrastructure. I even wrote to my representative over her refusal to support the Bipartisan infrastructure bill even though she said it had many things that she wanted.
     
  17. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
    [​IMG]
     
  18. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2003
    Messages:
    48,972
    Likes Received:
    19,907
    My daycare just sent out an announcement reaffirming their decision to continue masking indefinitely.

    I asked them what they are basing their decision on and what will affect it going forward, and I got basically a bunch of non-response word salad.

    I'm 99% certain they don't want to keep doing this and are simply terrified of the backlash from the overwhelmingly liberal customer base they serve.
     
    AroundTheWorld likes this.
  19. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    55,794
    Likes Received:
    55,868
    Odd... no mention of "the children", children's health, or any individual's health for that matter. Instead, focus on politics. On politicians, and measures politicians took to address the pandemic. And how these measures impacted civil liberties. Complaints about science. And... an effort to claim he was right all along.

    But not one mention of children.
     
  20. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
    I only mentioned children 280 or so times on this thread. Your childish attempt at playing gotcha is noted.
     

Share This Page