It would be one FRP as we got a FRP for Allen from the trade. So technically we got a FRP + SRP and we potentially lost out on 2 FRP? https://www.fearthesword.com/2021/1...d-cavaliers-jarrett-allen-tauren-prince-trade
Ok so we could have gotten a better FRP than the bucks pick and could have gotten an FRP for Levert. Did not know the specifics of the trade but I still say we went with the lesser assets.
I've never argued we couldn't have done better, just marginally better which isn't a big deal in my opinion. We got a FRP for Allen, which we traded again when we did the PJ Tucker/Bucks trade. We potentially could have gotten another mid-late FRP for Levert instead of a SRP. Not going to lose much sleep over that.
LOL 2 higher FRP is not marginally better, its SIGNIFICANTLY better. And that's not even including Rubio + 2 SRP + cash. It was a big deal.
I can't get behind that it was a "big deal". Was it the Rockets picking Levert over Dipo the right move in hindsight, yes. I'm not going to get into a semantics battle over "significantly" vs "marginally". And let's be honest, you wanted to keep Allen and Levert so it's really a moot point with you. You've been on team retool.
The Rockets chose a direction. They prioritized picks and cap flexibility. They market for Allen at the time was likely a first round pick. I'm not sure what the market for LeVert was at the time but it might not have been as much as what the Cavs got. The Rockets went with Oladipo who could have netted similar or better value but it didn't work out. Holding on to players and maximizing value is great but the Rockets were in a very weird position after the Russ trade. If they owned all their future picks they might have kept Allen and LeVert or even traded for Simmons.
This. Also the Rockets actually got a FRP for moving Allen to the Cavs, that FRP got traded again and is now the 2023 MIL FRP. Part of the reason for choosing Dipo was because of the flexibility, they gave him a token extension which he immediately rejected.
I think even if you concede on the Rockets being able to do much better it doesn't matter much because it was an unknown at the time. The Rockets likely shopped Allen and LeVert and made trades according to the market at the time. Maybe they could have done much better later, the same later, or much worse later. The Rockets kept their pick, have a solid young core, and a ton of picks. Could they have more picks? Sure they could. But they also could have lost their pick last year and got worse value for Allen or LeVert. The full tank worked.
Every time I see somebody crying that we don't have Jarrett Allen I get angry because if we had Jarrett Allen that would mean we would not have Josh Christopher. WHY WOULD WE RATHER NOT HAVE FUTURE 9 TIME MVP AND DESTROYER OF WORLDS JOSH CHRISTOPHER?
If you dont want to argue about words you do not comprehend then stop using said words. LOL There you go with another alternative reality. Go back to the archives and prove that I wanted to KEEP both JA and especially LeVert. Your nonsense just gets more and more outlandish.
I was politely saying we can agree to disagree whether or not it was a big deal or not..... but alas that's not your style. You've been on team retool around Simmons. You've wanted to keep Allen. Not a great leap to think you'd want to keep LeVert too, even so it doesn't really matter to the larger point of you being upset we aren't retooling and competing. You've bashed Stone for everything because you think he choose the direction.
Keeping the player assets from Harden trade - JA, LeVert, Prince. Instead of swapping for injured Dipo. This would have given Rockets FO way more options. Either trade away SEPARATELY at trade deadline, package with picks/players to move up in draft or simply play said players until ready to trade. Stone severely and erroneously overestimated the value of Dipo and underestimated the values of the other 3 players they practically gave away.
Stone is the GM. It's his job to chart the direction of the Rockets. And yes, I would have taken the Philly package over Nets. Because Rockets would have received the better players in return - Simmons, Thybulle, Maxey. Plus a young uninjured 6'10 All Star elite PG and defender vs. an older injured former All Star good defender, absolute no brainer for me. But if the Nets FRP were more attractive to ownership then retain their young players over trading away for the broken Dipo. And Stone did not do his due diligence with Dipo, the fact that he passed the medical check is criminal.
No it's not, the direction comes from the owner. How do you not understand this? It's the GM's job to execute the owner's direction. Les told Morey not to tank. Tilman told Morey to win a championship on a budget. Tilman told Stone to rebuild. You think Stone decided whether or not to accept Simmons or picks then?
Tilly has said many times that he let's his Ops teams handle day to day. And Tilly also likes to take credit for trades, especially the big ones. There was nary a peep from Tilly about Harden trade. However, both Stone AND Silas absolutely crowed loud and proud about the Dipo acquisition. And Stone did offer Dipo a stupid extension, whether courtesy or not it was beyond stupid. If Dipo had even half a brain or just a tad more self awareness he would have accepted it and locked the Rockets into a horrendous contract while he rehabilitated his slow to heal body. Further, Stone promised that the Rockets would get at least a FRP for Dipo, that there were multiple offers of FRP for Dipo on table (see EGo). We all know he lied out of his ass and got played by the Heat. The best GM's successfully guide their owners and steer them clear of the shoals. Stone is far from the best.
I'm not sure you are using the right descriptions. I'm not sure that he overvalued Dipo when he got him. I think that was more of a case of him hoping he would like his old self as the season went on. I think the same goes with JA and LeVert. I'd imagine he gauged their value. That's how he ended up sending Allen to the Cavs and LeVert to Indy. Maybe JA's value could have increased but that's not a guarantee. It could also go down and he was a RFA you'd have to pay. I don't think trading them at the deadline last year would have greatly increased their value. Value shouldn't fluctuate that much in a 2 month span minus an injury. The only thing that makes sense to me for a great increase in value is holding them until the off-season. And if you do that you make yourself a better team and risk losing your pick. It all could have worked out but it would have been a gamble. Without the OKC threat on our picks I think keeping them is the smart choice. With OKC in play I think it's a tough call.
The team wanted to increase their chances of keeping a top 4 pick and shed salary. It's not that complex.
