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The Jalen Green Experience is Coming

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mathloom, Nov 9, 2021.

  1. CXbby

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    Sengun and gup have had up and downs but it’s nowhere near the same. Cumulatively they have been much better rookies by any objective measure.
     
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    Kind of amazing you defend Cade’s very disappointing season and give no credit to Green’s improvement.

    Cade TS% this month is 41%
    Green TS% this month is 59%
     
  3. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    We just see things differently and it seems you are confused by why my opinion is not changing or I'm not willing to re-discuss the same thing again. It's because there's no new information from his critics in months and none of what I've heard of his deficiencies are material to the realizing of his potential.

    By engaging too much with the loudest, it gives the fringe opinion a bigger share of the discussion than is representative. So I try not to get into those.
     
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  4. CXbby

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    I was never high on Cade prior to the draft, in fact I was as low on him as I was on Green. But Cade has been objectively better in every advanced metric that measures impact on winning. Cade runs the team, Green sits in the corner. Cade plays defense, Green gets targeted. Green beats Cade in efficiency by the slightest margin, both are horrible. But context, one is the entire focus of defense, one is an afterthought. The only gamelan for Green by opposing defense is, leave him open.
     
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  5. CXbby

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    Also I did just give credit to his improvement.
     
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    41 vs 59% ts difference is a gap as wide as the Pacific ocean.
     
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  7. CXbby

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    Oh I meant on the year, not *checks* the last 4 games.
     
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    18% is not the slightest of margins. Also Green frequently pulls the opposing teams best perimeter defender. Last night it was bridges who is one of the best man defenders in the league. Pair that with the fact this team fields so many non shooters that the paint is always packed (Tate gets so many wide open 3s for a reason). idk how you came to that conclusion.
     
  9. mfastx

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    Last night was one of the few games this season where I wanted him to check back into the game when we were giving up that lead in the 4th. Him being on the floor increased our chance of winning which is a good sign.
     
  10. CXbby

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    Yeah, they definitely should have put Sengun in sooner in the 4th.
     
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  11. fchowd0311

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    These are rookies. 4 games is a large sample size relative to the amount of games they've played their entire career in the NBA.

    Hence why comparing advanced stats with such a small sample size for rookies that also includes confounding factors like team situation is so dumb.

    Green has a 3% pt difference in ts% over Cade for the entire season which is a healthy gap.

    One aspect that makes Green's scoring superiority sustainable for the long term is that already you see a massive difference in how often they get to the line. Green has double the ftr as Cade. That's always a good sign for a rookie that he can already generate contact and go to the line.
     
  12. mfastx

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    Troll lol.
     
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  13. CXbby

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    On the season the difference is 2%.
     
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    Histrionic Personality Disorder and negativism on display. Insecure men who would prefer to pounce on Jalens struggles and vanish on the “good games” as this thread dies when he plays well. Curious right? Typically they will then redirect that fragile ego by running over and jumping on Kevin. Finding a way to put him down to satisfy that need to feel in control SOMEWHERE in their life or they will cherry pick whatever rookie played better that night in a “see I told you so” manner to seek validation or point to their preferred draft pick as some example of GM abilities. You nailed it and it’s sad. When all the optimists are gone what do they do? Turn on each other. They NEED the conflict. Big part why this platform loses quality contributors and every other place that talks seriously about the Rockets just laughs at the the exchanges on here as they have devolved greatly over the last couple of years. Bunch of hot heads blowing smoke and I’ve been a part of the problem no matter how upbeat, positive and inspirational you try to stay the constant bombardment of that fatalistic energy sickens even the most devoted fans. They end up being labeled cultists in the most ironic projection of them all. I’ll hold out faith that the short list of honest supporters will have their day to feel redeemed for hanging tough through the growing pains. Keep fighting the good fight! Be well.
     
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    There is one more thing though.

    If you say he is who he is then he won't be that guy here.

    Both Tmac and Harden had to go somewhere else to fulfill their potential. Orlando and Houston respectively.

    You are not getting it here with KPJ on board. That was also my opinion.

    The FO will make sure to acquire players like Schroeder that might help with expertise but also take away touches.

    They might imply that it is Jalen's team but in reality it is not, but up for grabs.

    Unless you are an insider, you would not know what is going on behind curtains.
     
  17. CXbby

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    4 games is large enough a sample size because he has been doing better, but full season advanced stats are dumb because sample is too small… wait what?

    I do agree that Green’s ftr is encouraging and above what I expected.
     
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    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    I'm predicting Green will be great, if they trade him for that reason then I'll have made the correct prediction about Green's future. If that's a stupid trade, that's a Stone discussion not a Green discussion.

    It sounds like you just don't like him personally to be honest and find it hard to separate your criticism of Stone from Jalen. It's good to hear though that you've been thinking about a reality where Green is T-Mac and Harden level. That's a step up.

    The team will be fine, I don't believe in these catastrophic extrapolations of what will happen if we don't do things a very particular way. Stars are bigger than that.
     
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    I totally agree with you on the first part - but again, I blame coaching. He should know what to do (e.g. shoot if wide open, drive by your defender if he is off balance, call for a pick or pass to the post/point - don’t wait and assess the situation - and whatever you decide to do, do it. Don’t change your mind unless you absolutely have to).
     
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  20. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Forget that.

    Cade is overall scoring 15.7 points on 15.2 shots, he is already less efficient than Green on roughly the same volume. If he's not a better scorer than Green this or next season, he will never be.

    I thought at least he would be more efficient, since he's not a pure scorer like Green.
     
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