now you’re arguing just to argue. who said no one thought he was valuable? I said he was a lesser asset 1.5 yr ago than he is today, you disagreed, I attempted to confirm that and now you’re bringing up something completely different.
Who cares if C Wood sucks with a C this year, we were not winning anything anyway, if we had decided to keep JA we could just move off Wood and trade him for another asset.
Jaret Allen is the 55th highest paid player in a 450 player league (yearly salary). Top 12%. People overrate nothing. He's not better than 88% of the rest of the league.
He's 55th right now. But while everyone goes up he stays the same. By 2027 he might be the 155th. What do we need cap space for before 2024 anyway?
So as of right now, do you think he is better than 88% of the rest of the league? The way the game is going, the C position could be obsolete by 2027. Jokes. Either way, Allen is highly paid.
Like why is there even a thread about Jarrett Allen in the Rockets forum. Never a Rocket. Not going to be one. Who cares?
OKC did not promise that Rockets would receive an All Star level player + multiple FRP in return for Harden. Stone did that. So insisting that OKC should have offered more for JA is disingenuous. Stone is an idiot because he severely misevaluated the values of trade pieces. Both JA and LeVert would have returned not just more FRP but more valuable FRP if they kept them and sold them off separately, this was true then and confirmed now. Prince, the least valuable, of the 3 players actually netted more than the player (Dipo) that both Stone and Silas insisted on. If a fan like me could see all this CLEARLY, nevermind which player should have been drafted #2, then yes, Stone is far from sharpest knife in the drawer. This is not Rocket science.
I’m not sure why you don’t understand this, but I will try one last time. Forget about all the other parts of the trade since this is the Jarrett Allen thread in any event. The FO/ownership wanted a future asset rather than paying 2/20 for Prince and signing Allen to his next deal and the luxury tax implications of that. ENTER Cleveland who gave up the future asset to take on Prince’s deal (who yes allowed them to get a helpful player for them in Rubio) and wanted to sign Allen to his next deal. What you are missing is that Cleveland’s place in the trade could have been any team that was willing to take Prince’s deal and give us a better asset than that Bucks pick. OKC is an easy team to point to who was not willing to do this who also didn’t have to worry about the luxury tax which was a big driver behind why the FO did this. I bet if they tore up the 2025 swap right we owe them they could have taken Cleveland’s spot in the trade and gotten Allen. But Allen’s value around the league wasn’t all that high. Hence no one really trying to force Cleveland’s hand and look to give him a bigger offer sheet over the summer either. I’m skeptical that we could have shed Prince’s deal and traded Allen at the deadline last year for something much better than that Bucks pick, especially if he ended up being a bad fit playing with Wood.
Honestly I kinda do. If you think about it, 30% of the league are Haywood Highsmith, Keljin Blevins, Isaiah Joe types. The only way to know is to list 54 players better which I don't think you'll be able to do but is not an exercise I'm willing to undertake right now. Feel free though. Like I said though, $20M is just elite role player money which he easily is.
If you're willing to give up value to drop 2/20 then you're too poor to own an NBA team. Donald Sterling wipes his ass with 2/20. That's freaking pocket change. Houston's one of the biggest cities in America we deserve better than some barely billionaire. Giving up real value to shed 2/20 is some Minnesota ****.
Yeah that’s a separate issue but I’m pretty sure that was needed to get under the tax. Most owners aren’t paying the tax for a rebuild situation, especially Tilman. But again, it’s a lot of things at once. If someone really wanted Allen and couldn’t take back Prince’s deal but offered 2 FRPs and a promising young wing or something maybe Tilman bites the bullet. But a deal like that almost certainly didn’t exist because the league just didn’t value Allen that highly in light of his next deal. I pointed out earlier Capela only fetched a mid FRP.
So if OKC was the 3rd party in the trade and received JA for a low FRP THEN AND ONLY THEN would this trade be proven to have merit???? Not sure why this is such a struggle for you, it doesn't matter what all the other teams did or did not do, it only matters what the Rockets did or did not do. Rockets had Harden, they were supposed to be the team with all the leverage. Their evaluation and negotiation of the trade pieces was sorely lacking. And of course you are skeptical of getting a better return for Prince (never mind JA or LeVert) because you are a Stone apologist and only Stone apologists cannot see how pathetic his ability to get FAIR value never mind added value trade. How many trades, drafts and FA signings can this guy botch before you open your eyes?
I don’t agree with some of this but I also don’t think I’m a Stone apologist. I think passing on Mobley was a massive blunder. On the rest I think some have been good and some haven’t but on the latter I think the rationale was usually reasonable and/or didn’t harm much. But ultimately it’s the sum of all moves. By the end of next season the rebuild needs to look much more promising than it does for the most part right now. If it doesn’t then he hasn’t done a good job.
OKC did not have Harden, so we had all the leverage over Brooklyn. I don't know why you keep bringing up all of these possibilities when we had the asset Brooklyn wanted.
This. Only the #2 pick was a major mistake by Stone. Tilman was never going to pay top dollar to retool around Lavert and Allen, so it's a moot point. If you want to argue that the Rockets could have gotten slightly better assets if they had gone a separate route, sure, but it's marginal.
How is maybe getting 2 FRP's only marginally better than a maybe 2nd round pick? Levert and Allen both netted FRP's, what did we get for Oladipo?
