Update: Canadian Truckers Rule : AroundtheWorld > ScamFaker

There's no equivalent of the fifth amendment property rights protection in Canada. In the US, the fifth amendment guarantees due process for property (in effect creating a right to property).

Canada's Constitutional rights provisions were haphazardly created in the 1980s and have several weird provisions and omissions. Historically, provinces have had full power over regulation of property (with zero constitutional protection). When the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (the Canadian equivalent of the Bill of Rights) was enacted in the 1980s, Pierre Trudeau proposed adding a property rights clause but several provincial governments at the time refused so it was never enacted. Governments have repeatedly proposed a constitutional amendment to add a property rights clause but to date its never passed.

 

If you aren't familiar with US Civil Forfeiture laws, they're pretty freaking broad as well. Frankly, American law enforcement has a lot more power to seize assets without requiring any special laws. And all of this can be done in the US before someone is even indicted (or even after someone has been found innocent). In Canada, you can't do that. So while the Emergencies Act does give the government a bunch of broad power, in normal times, US law enforcement has far more power to seize private property than Canadian ones.

In fact, one of the major criticisms domestically is the inability of provincial law enforcement to deal with things like money laundering, etc.. because they can't seize assets very easily.

 

geeimsobored, thanks for your posts - but regardless of Canadian legal history, don't you see the major problem with what is going on? Pierre's son is basically stealing funds from people just because they disagree with him.

 

This is still one of the funniest things I have seen posted in a long time.

So Justin Trudeau's CV has him basically as...a drama teacher? And because his daddy was prime minister, he somehow had the sense of entitlement and network to run for it himself?

 

Would be nice if the public discourse didn't almost immediately devolve into anyone to the right of you is a nazi/white supremacist/worst person to have ever lived.

I think anti-vaccine people are wrong and misguided but the casual throwing around of these words is reprehensible.

 

I'm not up on Canadian law but the emergency powers that Trudeau has enacted would make me very uneasy.

 

Totally agree with your first point. It has gone to a point where I'd feel offended as a holocaust survivor as to what constitutes a nazi these days.

I'm somewhat anti-vax. But I'm also 24, got covid already and it felt like a simple flu.
I decided for myself that I'd rather see for myself how covid would affect my body and it felt perfectly fine. stay in bed for 3 days and it was over.
That doesn't make me a nazi nor the worst person to ever live. Just a normal human being choosing not to take a medical procedure.

 

You're not a Nazi but I would call you inconsiderate of others. Yes as a 24 year old your chances of getting severe disease are low, not zero and while a small amount there are still many people who have developed severe disease and even died who were relatively young. I had a Judo student in her early 30's who got it early on and suffered long haul neurological issues.

If you get infected it's still a crap shoot whether you develop illness or not and if you did that would be taken away medical resources from someone else. While vaccination is shown to not stop transmission there is a lot of evidence that it prevents the disease from progressing.

 

To add I'm not easy about the emergency powers Trudeau has enacted but I am also uneasy about how things like asset forfeiture is used in the US and the laws that were passed in FL and other states that stiffened penalties for protesters blocking traffic.

I will state again many of the politicians now praising the protests blocking traffic in Canada now felt protests blocking traffic in the US was such a threat that new laws needed to be passed to address those.

Leaving aside the specifics of Canadian law yes I find it concerning that the Canadian government is enacting policies that could severely crack down on the right to protest. I also think policies like those in the US used against BLM and other protesters should be concerning too.

 

Its not quite cut and dry like that. There are court orders for the blockades to end and a court order to stop all funding of the blockade. The issue is that its too easy to move money in different ways. The court order applied to specific crowd funding and bank accounts so all they had to do was change the method of funding and they bypass the order. And as I mentioned earlier, Canada's enforcement powers around money is quite weak in comparison to the US. In the US, you could probably create some sort of RICO case (or some sort of patriot act violation) and then a court could grant the government sweeping powers to seize assets. Canada has no RICO law or any equivalent so court orders can't grant broad powers like that.

With that said, I don't agree with invoking the Emergencies Act, mainly because of the precedent it sets. But this isn't an example of "taking money" because they disagree with him. These all come on the back of multiple Ontario Superior Court rulings against the blockades and the financial support for those blockades.

Agreed, if there's one thing that drives me nuts about Trudeau, its his choice of language when describing right wing opposition to him. He does this all the time and he can get away with it because the right wing in Canada is utterly incompetent.

 

Is this right? A Western Liberal Democracy's government has identified speech and protests that they don't agree with, and has frozen assets to those participating in those protests without due process?

EDIT: So...I haven't followed it much...but did Democracy in Canada sort of just end this week?

 

Soyboy Trudeau just insulted this grandchild of a survivor of the Holocaust and then left the building to hide like he normally would. You need to get rid of this joker fast Canada if you want to preserve your beautiful country with its friendly people.

 

I think Trudeau dyes his hair

 

Now you want talk about how anybody to the left of you is a communist slacker, ANTIFA or "GASP" BLM!

This goes both ways if you want to have a nice public discourse, let's not act like it's just the left that demonizes people on the right.

Just look at Boebert and MTG.