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[McWhorter] The New N-Word Standard Isn’t Progress

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 11, 2022.

  1. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Why would their success or failure matter? If the economics of the situation allow Rogan to survive the attempted cancellation, that doesn't mean the left wasn't trying to get rid of him.
    I would say I explained it. I wouldn't say it shouldn't be done if I was trying to justify it.
    Not particularly. Do you think Jesus was especially right leaning? Do you think there are no Christian Democrats? Jewish Democrats? I wouldn't view religious observation as inherently political. I asked you a very easy illustrative question which you have dodged for some reason. Islam forbids the eating of pork. Muslims tend to be fairly conservative, especially globally. Do you attribute not eating pork to being on the right?
    I would say I am just viewing politics in terms of politics, economics in terms of economics, and religion in terms of religion. I wouldn't say appreciation of the films of Tyler Perry is a left leaning trait, even though the audience is probably far more on the left, because it is not a political decision. His movies appeal particularly to a demographic that also happens to overwhelmingly vote Democrat (though also is overwhelmingly Christian, conveniently countering your point above). This is very clearly not a No True Scotsman argument. A NTS argument would be if I said no one truly on the right would oppose gay marriage (thus excluding them from the group the right). Instead, you are misattributing their motivations from being religious to being on the right.
    It is normal speech. No one qualifies everything they say when speaking in generalities by saying something like the trends would lead toward or a greater percentage of x than y.
    It was a convenient shorthand, not the basis of my argument. If you want something more concrete, count all the bills introduced by Dems that raise taxes and those introduced by Republicans that do the same. Then do the same with tax cuts. Then come back and try to make the argument that Republicans are not more in favor of tax cuts.
    See above, but with regard to spending.
    The left has been pushing regulation of voting rights in congress nonstop since the election, and are trying to change the senate rules to pass said regulation.
    Cancelling is generally when outside agitators push for someone to be punished for something that has nothing to do with them, not getting fired for going after your boss. If you say you are ashamed of the President and people demand your record label drop you (used a right wing cancellation, just for you), that is getting cancelled. If you get fired for calling your boss a liar, your boss didn't cancel you, you got fired for insubordination. Fauci is a better example than the Vindman brothers (using my reasoning where attempted cancelling matters, per your Rogan argument, Fauci is still alive and employed).
    I don't think media personalities should be fired for their views, left or right. The Young Turks should be able to have their YouTube show, as should Alex Jones. I'm pretty sure Chris Cuomo was suspended for his activities relating to his brothers political/legal trouble, not his viewpoint. I don't watch CNN, so it isn't something I was paying a lot of attention to, but just reading the link you posted it would seem like this might be a different animal than cancel culture. If he was fired for his views, I am opposed.
     
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  2. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I'm sorry this is laughable for multiple reasons. So when a homeless person commits a crime, the right is concerned about their individual liberty??? The right worries about BLM's individual's liberty? Or making sure to smear any act of violence at a protest as being part of "Antifa" without proof - that's respecting individual liberty? Suing "liberal" news networks is celebrated by the right - that is respect for individual liberty? Telling teachers they can't talk about things that will make children uncomfortable - that's respect for liberty? Telling businesses they can't impose mandates for masks is individual liberty?

    But my gosh, taking your music off Spotify as a form of protest is down right authoritarian dictatorship and censorship???
     
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    "The left" was not pushing for banishing Joe Rogan - many on the left were in fact defending him. Also it was not his political views that were under attack but the choices he made as a journalist - his integrity that was being questioned, just as Chris Cuomo's integrity was being question for deciding to defend his brother. These aren't their political views being question - it was their way of doing business - one for vetting their guest, and the other for nepotism.

    Now you have the left trying to push regulation of voting right - when in fact it is the right that is trying to restrict voting right. This is the mental gymnastics I was talking about earlier how "the right" can spin an effort to remove restrictions to voting and by extension free political speech and spin it as the left repressing the right?????

    You can't say cancel culture in some cases are just about views to narrow it something more specific to justify a position and further more when it's debate-able whether or not someone is being "canceled" for their views in the first place. This issue with Rogan was not that he thought Covid vaccines were bunk, the issue was he put on "experts" that spread misinformation. He in fact stated those aren't even his views!
     
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    Well, that settles it.:rolleyes:

    He might not be "the right" but he certainly panders to the right and creates a straw man argument every chance he gets.
     
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    lol
     
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