Forcing children to wear a mask is child abuse. The Left failed children.

Everyone does, if they are honest.

DD

 

Your antidotal evidence that people don't get seriously sick from omicron is, well, not scientific.

It seems you simply don't understand how science works ...and that is a separate matter apart from your belief that masking constitutes child abuse.

 

The "antidotal evidence" provided came from you ...hence the comment about lack of scientific understanding.

I guess you've simply given up since you are failing to follow your own conversation.

 

I don't think ATW was talking about any antidotes. But he did share an anecdote.

 

I actually support the lifting of mandates and stated that at the beginning of the thread. What I don’t agree with though is characterizing this in ideological terms and especially with likening this to “child abuse”.

The data shows that it is likely very safe to lift mandates. Arguing this in terms of ideology or in hyperbolic terms actually makes it harder to convince more people that this is right course of action.

 

Except the poll is showing that the majority (again, including independent and nearly 60% of parents) still want mask mandate. If the poll hold, US policymakers who lifted school mask mandates are going against what the US majority and parent wants.

 

it's part of the intensity and craziness that we have seen from anti-maskers

 

Until the next variant. This should belong to the other thread, what these public officials aren't stating when they are taking restrictions down (I support taking them down) is what the reality is. The reality is in the US, we will likely have 100-200k covid death per year ongoing for a while (and that's if it's Omicron and Omicron only). The other reality is it's going to change. This virus has a history that it shifts and changes. It's not likely going to stop now. So, if public officials aren't upfront (and they aren't because I guess, who want to keep warning people of bad news that might not play out), the public might think this is it, it's over. Then when the next one hits, we might be at the point where it's impossible to do anything about it as related to restrictions. The burden will be shifted completely to experts (ironic isn't it) - that experts need to just figure out a way to solve covid death and long covid issues while we go back to the norm. And maybe that is the right way to move forward, but hopefully, there are still experts, and they do get the funding needed to solve our ongoing covid issues.

As far as that tweet you respond to. Misleading about misleading. The information from the CDC was nothing more than their MMWR. I hate Twitter as a primary and only source but sad to see how often it is now used for arguments.

Hospitalizations of Children and Adolescents with Laboratory-Confirmed COVID-19 — COVID-NET, 14 States, July 2021–January 2022 | MMWR (cdc.gov)

 

I think most governors that are Democrats and posters on this board just want follow the data. When the data shows it's time to remove mask mandates, most people will be relieved and happy to do so.

If some people are reticent to advocate removal of the mandates now, might do so because of people trying politicize the policy, attack science, and not rely on the scientific research. Few people long to keep wearing masks and nearly 100% of people want it to be safe and have reduced infection and hospitalization or death.

There is some legitimate disappointment about what the data threshold is, but that doesn't mean it's political or people on either side of legitimate researched debate love masks or restricting admittance to locales or venues.

 

Good point.

 

I saw a video of a 4 year old wanting to transition. That’s what I call child abuse. Irreparable harm to someone incapable of making decisions, hormones down the line leading to a myriad of health issues.

i don’t get this whole transition for toddlers, it went from neutral to encouraging kids who can’t think for themselves to be ignorant to the idea we live in a world where you will be judged whether you like it or not, by what you wear what you look like etc. doing things under the noses of the parents is criminal. I do think it’s a fringe left California, soyboy type of thing and not that prevalent though