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Joe Biden's America

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SuraGotMadHops, May 12, 2021.

  1. Gioan Baotixita

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    It’s north of 7.5% but the actual rates of inflation are much higher than that, more like 20%. Brandon and the Dems will pay dearly for it this year as well as 2024.
     
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    If you're trying to apply for a job and the company tell you they're only hiring a black female candidate, how'd you feel?
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    Depends on context. For the past 200+ years did a black female not get that position because they were a black female?

    Answer this question. In the past 200+ years has there never been a qualified black female for SC justice?
     
  4. rocketsjudoka

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    I probably wouldn't like it but USSC isn't a job you apply to. It's a job that the President nominates so it's already not an open application position.

    So again do you think a black woman cannot be qualified to be USSC Justice?
     
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  5. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    If the job posting said "looking for a black female" I wouldn't bother applying.

    If, on the other hand, I was given a token interview and the ulterior motive was always to hire a black female, I would be upset.
     
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  6. NewRoxFan

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    The quiet part out loud...
     
  7. NewRoxFan

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    The quiet part out loud...
     
  8. Space Ghost

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    Why can't you apply for it? How is it any different than any other job out there that has certain requirements and certifications that will ultimately be approved by one person or a hiring committee? Its semantics.

    We do have anti discriminatory laws on the books that explicitly state that certain actions can not be limited to a small list of a protect class, including gender/sex and race.

    To say that black females are under represented in the Supreme Court is ok to debate. To say "I feel [insert black female] would be a good representation of this under represented group" is not the path I would recommend, but at least its not blatantly discriminatory. To say "I will only nominate a black female" is as discriminatory as you can get. I know Biden means well however he is a complete moron.
     
  9. NewRoxFan

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    You can go ahead and apply for the Supreme Court Justice job I suppose, but...

    Seriously, did you call trump a moron for saying he would appoint a woman? Would you have said Reagan was a moron for saying he was appointing a woman? What about Reagan for saying he was going to appoint someone from Italian "extraction"? Eisenhower for saying he wanted to appoint a Catholic? Or is Biden special because he is a Democrat?
     
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    That's the argument that Brian Flores is making regarding his interview for the Giants' head coaching position.
     
  11. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    He's making the argument that his interview was a sham (and by extension the Rooney Rule is a sham) because they had already decided on Daboll. He's going to have a hard time proving he wasn't hired because the Giants decided they were only going to hire a white head coach.
     
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    Article II Section 2 of the Constitution says that the President shall appoint judges with advice and consent of the Senate.
    THat still doesn't answer whether a black woman can be qualified.
     
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    Yes but that is why it's a very different situation than Biden pledging to name a black woman to the court. Unless of course Biden doesn't actually name a black woman to the court.

    I know you weren't making that comparison but just riffing off of your post.
     
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    I dont understand this statement. Is anyone out there (of significance) stating otherwise? I haven't seen this narrative at all being pushed by anyone.
     
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    For a judicial body to be fair and have broad perspectives it's a good idea to have broad representation. Since there are qualified black women and it will greater diversify the bench, then there are zero problems.
     
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    -A broad representation should be highly encouraged.
    -There is simply not enough judicial spots to represent everything.
    -"black" AND "woman" are not qualifiers. We already have black representatives. We already have woman representatives.
    -There is no issue with having a QUALIFIED representative who is both black and a woman. However its incredibly stupid to limit your search to less than 7% of your qualified candidates...or whatever that number comes up to be. This is why democrats are going to get smashed in mid-terms.
    -Discrimination is wrong, regardless of how you paint it.
     
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    But how do you know the best qualified nominee isn't both a woman and black?

    And you haven't answered the question... trump, Reagan, Eisenhower limited their potential nominees while president. Its possible GWHB also did. Were they all stupid? Did they engage in discrimination? Did they get smashed in primaries after making their choices?

    btw, I really doubt Biden's USSC choice smashes him. Voters that vote against him are not doing so for his USSC choice. And those most critical of him would continue to criticize him no matter who he selected.

    I think his choice is quite brilliant. He knows no matter who he chooses gets opposed and criticized. Might as well make the bigger change he wants (more diverse court). If anything, he should go after the most extreme nominee as possible assuming the Congress changes by the time he gets another opportunity to nominate a USSC justice.
     
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    Yes they are with implication of what they say or type. No they don't outright say "a black woman can't be a SC Judge".

    They are just playing the modern game of "coy racist" where they pretend that chosing a black woman only means you are severely limiting your scope of qualified individuals which was actually happening for 200+ years in an implicit manor due to systemic racism.
     
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    Black women have a different experience than black men or white women. It is no more limiting now than it was when Reagan specified that it was time for a female judge to sit on the bench. Adding that breadth of representation is a qualification a Supreme Court Justice at this time.
     
  20. Space Ghost

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    Who is 'they'?

    Pointing out that limiting your pool to 7% of qualified candidates is not racist. Its a matter of fact. What you're actually saying is that a black woman is the only qualified candidate. This is very discriminatory and TBH, i dont even know why I am having this discussion. Im the idiot for trying to even rationalize something as stupid as this.

    Its poor people who are severely under represented in federal governance. Outside of Clarence Thomas and Sonia Sotomayor, everyone else comes from middle to upper class families. But what does that matter, right? As long as your team wins.
     

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