Forcing children to wear a mask is child abuse. The Left failed children.

As much as some would like to spin it otherwise, the fact is that mask reduce the rate of infection. There is no credible evidence against that - as let's face it is pretty obvious that a physical barrier around your mouth is going to cut down the rate of disease transmission. Why people argue otherwise is pretty strange and shows how much they are taken in by the Kyrie Irving flat earth effect.

That aside, whether kids should wear masks is very debatable given there are legit cases on both sides. Clearly governmental agencies are trying to formulate simple policies however the number of factors and circumstances creates some irrational situations. And that's the challenge.

 

I made my point and left because the OP has spent 27 pages b****ing about his kid having to wear a mask on a plane for several hours. Boo - ****ing - hoo. It seems a certain segment has to create things to complain about, like Joe Rogan not getting cancelled.

 

I think this is probably the norm view for the vast majority of people. The two extremes are masking is child abuse and not masking is child abuse. See what's common between those two?

 

He likes taking quotes out of context.

LOL, that seems to be typical.

 

Sure, I also feel sorry for kids growing up wearing masks. It's a shame so many chose to do their own thing during a pandemic and not even remotely attempt to try and stop the spread. It's a shame there are still anti-vaxxers doing it as a Political stunt to rebel. If there hadn't been so many selfish and ignorant Covid spreaders we probably wouldn't even be discussing this right now.

As for when to lift masks on kids, I'll leave that decision to the medical experts, and the ones evaluating the effects on people living in areas where the spread is riskier, or where the majority are still unvaccinated. The experts know more than I do on the risk.

 

@AroundTheWorld

Im just having a hard time getting past your hyperbolic and insulting OP about masks being child abuse.

I am ready to move on from Covid but I never thought the masks were burdensome and I never thought it was something stupid like “child abuse”.

Clearly this issue is triggering for you.

 

Right... its like us parents don't hate having another thing to tell our kids to have to do or make sure they have before they go to school. As if there's not enough going on in the morning to have to deal with getting a clean mask ready, etc.

And what parent thinks it's a good thing for developing children to have their mouths covered so they miss out on social cues, and things that develop their personality and sociability?

It's like the right thinks that we just love masks. No we hate it as much as you people do too... we just you know.... want our schools not to close because of an outbreak of Covid, and want our kids to stay healthy when there is a deadly virus out there. If you have kids that have had a stomach virus go through their class at school too and bring home you know as a parent the lengths you'd go to have prevented that from happening. It can wreck your family for two weeks, and the pain and suffering you see your kid go through is horrible for parents. You don't always worry about Noro viruses at your kids school, but when you hear that today someone in their class puked everywhere, you immediately coach your kid on things they need to do to stay away from Timmy and Tommy who puked, wash your hands, don't touch your face, lysol everything in sight, etc. Wearing a mask during a surge is practicing the same damn parenting 101 tactics, but WE NEED the administration to be able to get everyone to practice the same prevention methods in order for it to work in the case of Covid.

So if people like @AroundTheWorld can't understand where we are coming from there at a very basic parental level then I have nothing left to say here other than ... you suck, and you are the parent who sends your kid to school after they already puked once after breakfast.

 

Bobrek is a confused old man who lives in liberal paradise St Pete ATW. He claimed that he’s a Republican but every one of his posts or takes had been the complete opposite. Lol

BTW- those jerkoff liberal losers you just named representing a very small segment of us. I’m often amazed at how tone deaf these individuals are. They think somehow their little circle jerk is the ultimate truth and we should follow their madness. I know you’re a very decent guy and you don’t like to curse or names calling, Leave that task to me. There is nothing I love to do more than insulting a braindead liberal.

 

Not exactly. I like that children have been included in masking policies so far. I don't think they should last much longer, and as mask requirements ease for adults, they should ease for children as well.

 

You can't imagine how many parents actually do that. You can't imagine how many times kids come with a fever or sit for over an hour for parents to pick them up after they come to school sick. I saw this all the time as a teacher and it's the reason I quit teaching when the pandemic spread rapidly through our country. It just wasn't worth the risk bringing it home to family members at high risk. I was far too much at risk working in such close contact in Special Education every single day at over 20 different schools.

 

Sorry but if you are someone who votes in these nutcases to school boards here in Texas who bully and intimidate supers and principles into not taking action when obvious health measures are necessary… you are that parent.

If you support governors who bully cities and counties and tie their hands behind their backs to enforce common sense health and safety measure you are that parent.

 

You first. Masks aren't child abuse.

 

It's thorough, but it doesn't address the "why" question posed to him: Why go on and on repeating the same point of view and quoting various twitter accounts that say the same things?

Anyway, more on topic, I still think a reasoned discussion on the tragedy of kids in the pandemic would be great, but it seems everyone is just too damned angry to have it. And I don't think it has much to do with masks.

Had a very long conversation with a whip-smart biologist and parent I know yesterday, broadened my perspective appreciably in 90 minutes. She's sadly lost a lot of former friends because:

• she was horrified to see how California public schools had to bow to teachers unions and keep the schools closed for so long
• she was horrified to see that most CA public school kids got on average like 2 hours of Zoom instruction / day during the pandemic, loading all of the real teaching onto parents, and for kids of essential workers, completely shortchanging their future
• she got very active in lobbying local school boards in NoCal, writing solid letters filled with the emerging science both on COVID-19 and also childhood development. Tried to organize other parents in her community, all to no avail.
• She learned that her local school board was filled with literal former union members or their toadies
• she joined the Newsom recall efforts b/c in her view it was absolutely his failure to stand up to unions that shortchanged all these many kids. He could have issued executive orders of many different stripes but just refused to take action.
• her liberal former friends considered her a right-wing nutcase and some of them shut down their friendships
• she gave up and moved her kids to a good private school, after all that wasted effort
• She especially bemoans all the white Californians who put up "black lives matter" signs but then turn a blind eye to the fact that school closures disproportionately affect families of color who do not have the resources to provide home education.

Now, she's very blunt and passionate by American standards, but always open to hearing logic. And I realize a lot of that will serve as fodder for one political clan or another, yeah yeah fine. But what strikes me most of all is that there was never a reasonable, non-partisan space to advocate for kids. In her view, they didn't have a union and got massively screwed over in CA. This has left her without a political party now, because she sees the right wing as anti-data nutcases and the left wing as too entrenched in the long inertia of hypocrisy of their political machinations.

On masks, she doesn't see a big deal with kids in masks and says her kids are a lot better about it and more comfy with it than their parents. But I just will acknowledge that masks really hit some people in a biological-level emotional place -- fight or flight type stuff. Even if I don't get it, I acknowledge it and just try to sympathize with others like the OP. It sounds incredibly frustrating and probably feels intolerable to have people say "just deal with it."

Masks are going to remain in my family for a little while given a very immune compromised family member, but most counties here are lifting indoor business mask mandates today, and I think that's the right call. My family will keep wearing them in public for a bit but won't bellyache about the decisions of others at this point. Having had the mask mandate really did help us though, until this point. We somehow, against all odds, kept my loved one omicron-free when she would not have been able to deal with it very well and it would have knocked her off her treatment schedule. Whew basically.

 

I could have easily told her that California is a lost cause. If you want to wear the masks, wear them, but just don’t force them on everyone else and particularly our kids.

 

Ugh, thanks, nanny. Glad it's mild and may it continue to be so. That's been the same with friends and their kids here, except for one (vaccinated yes, but also health-compromised) elder who did die from it. Take care.