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Rockets turned down first-round pick offers for Eric Gordon

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Feb 11, 2022.

  1. eliefor3

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    He is also an expiring contract that gets them out of the theis signing which was a mistake to begin with.
     
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    I am no insider but the little blurbs on here seems to suggest that.
     
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  3. eliefor3

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    I think his biggest issue is he holds on too long. I also don't think low 1st round picks when you have so many young players is the way to go. I would much rather accumulate later picks that I can then use to trade for a star to supplement what I have drafted with my picks. I hope that is their rationale too. If they compile 3 or 4 picks then maybe they can entice someone like Donovan Mitchell ( not him necessarily but someone like him) who may wanting to leave their current team
     
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    There's a reason he is only making $5M, but for that tiny commitment, a team certainly could have used him. Like the Hawks who have no backup PG or the Lakers, who couldn't get worse.
     
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    I guess that makes him the perfect vet leader right @eliefor3 @Imanimal ?
     
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  6. ApacheWarrior

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    No, I don't believe that is the plan. They could play Porter less though.
    Drop that 30.9 mins down to 24. Use the excuse of needing to see
    how Schroder looks.

    Wouldn't that help our tank? Probably take some time to build chemistry.
    Same with Nix. You do want to play him and see what he can do at the
    big league level?

    This time last year we played a known (Olynyk) with the unknown (Porter jr at PG)
    to see how things looked. Gave Eric Gordon time off. Why play.Eric Gordon
    the rest of the season? We were mainly playing him in order to build up his
    trade value. Couldn't the Rockets play Gordon two or three games in
    April to show him healthy from his plantar fasciitis.....trade him this
    summer or early next season....having options?

    Rockets management judging Silas was one of the things on your
    checklist. Management can do that by having a somewhat proven
    commodity in Schroder in PnR.

    I've soon that Schroder is 62.5 in NBA percentile the season. Thats better
    than Porter 33.6 NBA percentile and Jalen Green 24.6 percentile.
    Why not put a better PnR ball handler to get an assessment of how the
    team looks with that? And if Schroder looks decent then either try to
    re-sign him this summer or envision Brunson or Tyus Jones also in that
    role. Before spending the money.

    Schroder as I said is 62.5 NBA percentile this season.
    20/21 was 55.5 NBA percentile
    19/20 was 51.4 NBA percentile

    So not great but still better than Porter/Green/Tate currently by more
    than a country mile. Gives Silas a chance to assess talent as well.
    Will Sengun look better? Garuba? Bruno Fernando and Schroder are
    familiar with each other. But let's see them in Silas offense instead
    of coach Ime Udoka (Celtics).

    If you were coach Silas and being looked at by the firing squad....
    wouldn't you like to show glimpses of the team with some of the
    right components running your scheme. 1) PnR ball handler
    2) PnR roll man 3) shooters on the perimeter 4) cutters to the basket.
    You know, all the ingredients he had when he was successful in Dallas?
     
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  7. ApacheWarrior

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    Yeah that's what I'm told. Players have to be undrafted like Tate or 2nd rounders
    like Kenyon in order for the Rockets to improve them.

    Really? Josh Christopher hasn't made big strides?

    John Lucas use to meet with Capela at 5 a.m.
    Capela couldn't catch a lob pass to save his life
    in the beginning. Then he could. John Lucas is still
    part of the team.

    Olajuwon, Elvin Hayes, Drexler, Mario Elie, Mad Max, Bullard are around giving advice.
     
  8. Hank McDowell

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    Oh yeah, this guy has sat through some meetings!
     
  9. Corrosion

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    Release Schroder ? Really no point to his presence here other than being salary ballast that got Theis out the door.
     
  10. daywalker02

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    As you said, inconsequential.

    Why not just sign someone from the GLeague or someone even cheaper.......I know the excuse.

    They did not dump him any time they wanted, they could have dumped him 25 games ago, didn't do it.
     
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    I am sure there is an obvious reason why teams did not want to trade a 2023 or beyond FRP (is this confirmed?) for EG that I just am not thinking of. My question is do the Rockets have the assumption that this will change in the offseason? I am assuming that the Rockets believe they can get equal or greater value for EG in the offseason or at the next trade deadline. I see EG being one more year older thus less value and possible power shifts in the team rankings affecting his value.

    With the value of players traded like LaVert, it is surprising that EG's value was just a late FRP. Even with the Harden trade, there is not a clear favorite to win the championship. I really thought a contender would have slightly overpaid for EG. However, I view him as someone who moves the needle in the playoffs. Any thoughts?
     
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    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.

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    I'm not sure I believe the Rockets were getting these offers. I think the truth is the contract they'd have to take back was worse than Gordon's and they're doing their best to get off of bad money, the late 1st just didn't make that worthwhile. Honestly it's probably the right move if my reading-between-the-lines is accurate. There's definitely a catch too, lottery teams aren't looking to add an Eric Gordon to their roster. Contenders i.e. late-round pick havin' teams are looking for him.

    And if we're being real honest, wouldn't it probably just get burned to dump Wall a year early?

    Just stick to the plan. Pay off John Wall while you develop and make some picks. Once he's gone, make a decision on who stays and go after the biggest fish in free agency.
     
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  13. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Depreciating assets generally do not net a greater return later.

    DD
     
  14. cheke64

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    wtf did I read?
     
  15. Aruba77

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    unless you’re a used car bought a few years ago ;)
     
  16. D-rock

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    Stone still getting benefit of the doubt???

    SMH
     
  17. D-rock

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    KPJ + Schroder lineups will win a few games methinks.

    Schroder will lower the Rockets TOV and improve FT% + 3P%.

    Schroder will also improve Rockets perimeter defense, while only 6'2 he has a better wingspan than 6'4 Green (6'7 to 6'8) but more importantly, better defensive IQ and footwork.

    Like Green, Schroder has a lightning fast first step and can blow by almost any defender. Unlike Green, Schroder can change speeds, change direction and better TS% so he finishes better from distance, at rim and from midrange.

    And Schroder is much better passer than Green, EGo, Tate or any other secondary playmaker on Rockets. Even Sengun.

     
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  18. ApacheWarrior

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    Well I feel the Rockets want to get away somewhat from Green being
    a facilitator until he gains some weight. Green needs to learn how to
    absorb contact better and yell out to get calls sooner. Instead he
    tends to bounce around like a pinball.

    Having said that, I think Porter starting followed by Schroder as backup is good.
    Alternate the facilitating of Porter then Schroder. Of course there would be
    some overlap possibly of Porter/Schroder on the court at the same time.

    Schroder lives in the paint driving as you can hear in this video. Note the defense.


    Also note that the Lakers are rumored to want Schroder back. For good reason.
     
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  19. D-rock

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    I think you may be right because starting Schroder instead of Green would give Rockets too many wins.

    And no one wants to see that right now.

    But Silas likely continues starting Green with KPJ because his IQ is suspect and not because he is purposefully losing games.
     
  20. ApacheWarrior

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    It's hard for point guards to play nice with one another on the court
    at the same time. I called it before we put Porter/Green together.
    The plan was made clear that the Rockets wanted to teach Green
    to be a combo guard. It's hard for one player learning PG at the
    NBA level.......not a good idea to try to train two people at the
    dame time PG skills at the NBA level.

    To say they are dumb would also be calling CP3 dumb because Harden
    and CP3 also had their problems. Rockets learned to sub CP3 out after
    5 minutes of play.....then stagger them.

    Harden-Lin had their problems.

    Harden-Westbrook as well.

    Shai Gilgeous-Alexander / Schroder / CP3 were unique as they shared
    time together but had to learn to share well. Porter has finally figured
    things out on my opinion.

    Patrick Fertitta may want Porter jr and Schroder and even Nix together; but
    I would rather not.
     
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