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MLB and MLBPA 2022 Master Agreement Negotiations

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Marshall Bryant, Oct 6, 2021.

  1. jiggyfly

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    I don't understand your point?

    Anyway I am done derailing the thread.
     
  2. J.R.

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    Don't like dropping draft pick compensation (I favor expanding it). They needed to drop draft pick forfeiture which negatively impacts players in Free Agency.
     
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    Sounds like they’re also gonna be implementing a draft lottery to try to discourage tanking. What’re yalls thoughts on that?
     
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    I think a salary floor is a better option. Because the odds aren't equal, teams still have incentive to tank. If you made the bottom 10-15 teams equal odds, that would discourage tanking.
     
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    Do teams really tank primarily for a top draft pick? This isn't like the NBA or NFL where you get clear-cut generational talents at #1 that change the course of your franchise.

    I know the Astros are the prime example, but if they would have gotten the #6 pick instead of the #1 pick, they'd have followed the same strategy - it's the idea of wasting money be mediocre that's the bigger issue. As juicy said, a salary floor seems more useful here. Expanded playoffs helps as well.
     
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    No doubt teams value the Draft Pool $ more than they do the actual top pick aside from the rare easy #1 guys.

    Carlos Correa is the last #1 pick in the MLB that has been a star (granted he was the last of a great run in Strasburg/Harper/Cole). Strasburg & Harper fall in that rare #1 guy category. The picks in the 9 years since he was drafted:

    Mark Appel
    Brady Aiken
    Dansby Swanson
    Mickey Moniak
    Royce Lewis
    Casey Mize
    Adley Rutschman
    Spencer Torkelson
    Henry Davis

    Swanson is a solid player, but nobody you'd tank for. Mize looked really good in his rookie year and the 3 after him are great prospects, but 2 are the biggest #1 busts perhaps ever. Moniak's now a mediocre prospect. Lewis hasn't played in 2 years.
     
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    Dumb. It's trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.
     
  10. Buck Turgidson

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    The players would have no problem with tanking if you're losing 100+ games with retread and has-been veterans rather than cheap young players.
     
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    The players don't realize that playing retread and has-been veterans would eat into the salaries of other veterans when those guys come up for free agency. If the MLBPA does win major pay raises for younger players in the CBA, I'm not looking forward to the players whining when guys that sign later this offseason get paid less per expected WAR than guys like Seagar and Semien.

    Granted, I do have faith in MLB's attorneys to protect the bottom line of the small market owners than I do in the MLBPA protecting the younger players.
     
  12. The Beard

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    Just saying that yes, I was referring to athletes not every day Americans, because this is a discussion about mlb, which is made up of mostly athletes (Tyler white)
     
  13. The Beard

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    Todays offer by mlb will likely determine whether or not the season begins on time. If the new proposal doesn’t legitimately close some gaps this season isn’t starting at the end of March
     
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    My guess is that they come to a medium on these numbers… finalize the universal DH, eliminate draft pick compensation, and finalize expanded playoffs… and the issues we all talk about more, such as the arbitration system, service time manipulation, free agency, etc. get ignored.
     
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    #157 J.R., Feb 17, 2022
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  18. Buck Turgidson

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    As Metallica said "**** em all and ****ing no regrets"

    Owners and Players don't give a damn about the state of the game or the fans, they seem hellbent on driving it into the ground.

    It really sucks to watch.
     
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    This.
     

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