Jordan Clarkson: 1.10 PPS (40% FG and 32% 3PT) Jalen Green: 1.14 PPS (39% FG and 29% 3PT) Clarkson also one of the worst defenders in the league, luckily playing with Gobert and an excellent defensive team. I really can't understand how you can have such a low projection @harold bingo . Jalen Green is ten years younger than Clarkson. He barely has to up his volume to match Clarkson's, they're very similar. Is it going to take Green ten years to get his 3PT% over 32? Or to blow this PPS out of the water? I'm not even talking about athleticism and talent here. Isn't that the worst progression that could possibly be expected, that a 20 year old will barely improve at anything in 10 years? Seems unwise, but that's just my opinion. Noted. Jalen Green unlikely to be better than Jordan Clarkson.
Situation matters. JC is on a good team so people think he's good. It's that simple most of the time. Do people actually think it's pure coincidence that the rookies looking the best in the top 5 are Barnes and Mobley who are on relatively good teams? I know I'm not. And people will like to bring up Cade but his numbers are very similar to Green's. Cade also gets way more opportunities to make mistakes and a lot more (at all) garbage minutes.
Yeah man that's fine, feel free to write it down. There are a lot of things I'm good at and take pride in, but being a basketball analyst isn't one of them. I'm probably wrong, I'm wrong all the time. Not here to try to change anyones mind.
**** Clarkson has been pretty bad this season. He was legit really good as a sixth man on that Jazz team last year
I think that Green will have a better career but might end up like Jordan Cl. When he is 29 or 30. People forgot Clarkson was also projected to be at least a 20 ppg player until he wasn't. You're just too invested in someone that does not even know you exist.
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Just calling what I see in a thread I started to chat with people who see the same thing. Every post in the bbs is people invested in something that doesn't know they exist, lol, what on earth are you on about? Nice to have you on record: Jalen will be about Jordan Clarkson level at 29 or 30.
I shat on KPJ and he proved me wrong so I will hold my horses on Jalen. Just keep working fella you only competing with yourself
This ^ But also. Yourself are smart enough to understand that Jalen Green future career is with very high uncertainty, because of the contradiction between high physical talent and low basketball production and competence. The irrational fandom is nice but any rational analysis will have to acknowledge the uncertainty in the future. What’s certain is that he’s currently underperforming for a #2 pick, and a straight line extrapolation from here is not looking very promising. He needs an inflection.
Yeah the thing is, I know all this science and all these analytics, and Jalen Green is going to be a star scorer. I've stated my reasons for believing that many times, in addition to a subjective component. So I'm not really sure what to tell you about tempering expectations, I don't artificially plant a fear of something in myself if I don't believe is going to happen such as Green becoming a bust. I have to see something I believe. I believe his stats suck and his future is going to be great, which is a common opinion of him right now all over the NBA. I think you keep forgetting that the "Jalen's future is looking bleak" crowd is very small and overrepresented here. I would in turn advise you to beware of falling into the trap of believing an overrepresented fringe opinion is more prominent than it is. Most analysts believe the #2 pick has a bright future. I bet you can't find 3 videos of analysts with 10+ years experience saying his career is looking bad, but I will find you 10+ people like that saying he's going to be a really good player. Think about it for a moment. Don't get lost in the rabbit hole. Don't you think if I'm a Green and Rockets fan I'm going to have an opinion higher than those NBA analysts? So what's higher than he's sucking right now but his future is bright? Why would I hedge my prediction, I'm a human not a hedge fund, I can't believe two opposite things at the same time, it literally causes bipolarity.
I mean there are some similarities, they both half Filipino, they are both around 6'4, Green closer to 6'5. Clarkson scored his 30 point game in his first season, but later than Green. The main difference was Clarkson was thought to be a PG and the 46th pick, far less pressure. The point is not that Green will average 6 more points than Clarkson but that both are said to be one dimensional, Green being the quicker, athletic version. It is on Green to change that narrative but Clarkson is actually a good player at his draft position. Oh well, only my take, he isn't worth your while, not my cup of coffee. For the record, I said, he might end up in a 6th man role like Clarkson at age 30, not that it will happen or that he is Clarkson. That it might be his floor not the ceiling. Do not put things out of context, lmao. At least I do not live my fanboi life as a worshipper.
You know very well, injuries could happen to his frail body. 10 years are a long time. The homers are projecting the best case scenario without accounting for the wear and tear. Only interested in the goalposts of the team record.
i've actually been impressed the past couple weeks with his effort on defensive rotations. because of his rail thin size it hasn't always been successful, but there have been quite a few plays each game where he's forced misses/turnovers on his teammate's man by moving into the paint to contest. together with his willingness to move the ball and make the right play on offense, i'm pretty happy with his progression from earlier in the season. the shot mechanics and handles will have to wait till the offseason...
Injuries are random and apply to everyone, the thinnest are not the most injury prone in the NBA. I’ve been watching the NBA long enough to know his body will look completely different in two years. He’ll be in perfect shape for his prime, no worries.
You raise an interesting point. NBA media and analysts have gone very soft on rookies and young players in recent years. Can you think of ANY rookie or even second or third year player that has gotten negative press? They can't all be stars, obviously. There is a good reason for this shift: media recognized that it has responsibility when covering young impressionable athletes. Years ago they would go for the vicious kill with jokes and narratives and really f-ed up some players. Darko came in at 18 yo, and was butchered right away. He became an alcoholic before he could even legally drink. He would destroy the walls in his house repeatedly and have a contractor on call to come and fix all the time. Frederick Weiss, another example, developed clinical depression and tried to kill himself. The change has been generally good in preventing such harm. However fan forums can be much more candid because they don't really have impact. CF is not really a narrative-driver the same way as TNT or ESPN. So if I we're you I'd take this into consideration when listening to media analysts vs CF analysts
Sorry but I can't really believe this without it being evidenced, it doesn't make sense to me. The media is high on some rookies and low on others, there's a clear distinction when they say Jalen is going to be very good, a star, a special player. Those distinctions are not thrown around to everyone. Now you might say people on TV are not the best analysts and I would agree with you, but I'm sure that if the majority opinion there is that he's going to be really good then it has weight as opposed to if it was just one person. Also, seriously, you don't feel like that's a whole lot of stretch for discrediting something you credit everyone for? Is everyone's praise of everyone over there meaningless to you? I don't think so.
