What is the best Eric Gordon trade proposal you can come up with?

Herb is not a well kept secret, most GMs took notice.

 

Sengun was acquired combining future picks with uncertainty. He was also picked 16th. This draft looks short on elite talent, deep in the lottery, and then a drop off (i.e., I expect the value of a later first to be a little less than normal regarding trade up purposes).

 

EGo to PHO has been talked about, but their pick is #30, I hope we can get more for EGO.
The Ayton idea is really, really interesting, first I hear it from you.
It’s very likely the sides will dig-in in the Ayton/PHO standoff. PHO thinks that Ayton’s success is all due to Chris, and now that’s reinforced by picking up Bismarck Byombo from his couch in the house and making him look like a legit Center just playing with CP3. Ayton wants his money, though.

EGO/Wood for Saric/Ayton/ is something very interesting.
Ayton is a prime young player still. Much, much better than Wiseman. Color me intrigued.

 

Suns owe their pick to OKC this year. A first from them would be at minimum 2024.

Meaning, them being #30 this year means nothing for the pick they would be sending us.

Biggest hurdle in a PHX deal is salary, it’s a complicated 3 for 1 at minimum that leaves them taking on a large amount of extra lux tax money. For that reason alone a deal becomes very tough.

I think most likely outcome is a simple swap for a large expiring. Raptors and Cavs look like easiest trade partners here.

 

How valuable is Cam Johnson to the Suns? From his stats and what I remember from him last season, he looks pretty damn valuable, but he is also up for a payday after next season. I wonder if the Sun's would entertain this:

Spoiler: Trade

Cam Payne has not been quite as good this season as he was last season. He is on a very reasonable contract so I'd be happy to take him off their hands. We get length which is what @D-rock likes. What do you think @D-rock , you pay more attention to the league than I do, is Johnson someone the Suns would be willing to give up? We gave them two really good rotational role players that they will need for their championship run.

 

what about this.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc7zry7u

Needs more work, probably; we’ll need to find roster spots, there may be picks added, etc… but intriguing, nevertheless

 

How is Ayton a free agent already

 

No matter what his preference is he needs to get a 1st rounder for Gordon. If there's a team out there that can offer a future 1st that looks more valuable then more power to Stone. But if it comes down to the wire and Cleveland is the only team giving him a 1st (even the projected low 2022 selection) Stone better take it.

 

Didn't agree to an extension like Luka and Trae, he's still going to be restricted anyway

 

A separate deal added to the one above:
Theis/Nwaba/D.J/BKN’22 to ORL for Gary Harris would:
1. open the roster spots for the PHO deal
2. open tax space to sign Ayton to his deal in the offseason, and maybe Jalen Smith, too by taking Theis/Nwaba/D.J.’s guaranteed portion and the BKN pick salary from next year’s books.

The BKN pick looks appetizing now and that;s the incentive for ORL. If BKN continues to spiral down and end-up in the lottery, that would hurt a bit, but price to pay for the bad Theis/Nwaba signings…

2022-23 Roster:
PG: KPJ/Shamet/Nix/Wall
SG; JG/Jaygup/Queen/Brooks
SF: KJ/Tate/GaryM
PF/C: Ayton/Smith/Saric/Sengun/Garuba
2022 Lotto pick

That’s 17 players…

 

If the Rockets can't use it to trade up, there is no guarantee Stone can draft a player that can make the roster with the pick.

Granted, I'm fearful of the Nets rebounding and my view of the draft. I could be wrong.

 

There's also no guarantee that Stone will make the right pick at the top of the lottery either. All I'm saying is if you can acquire an asset (e.g. a 1st round pick) for Gordon--who is clearly not a part of the rebuilding plan--then you do it and worry about the next steps later. If he can use that 25-30 range pick to move up a few spots then trading Gordon was still worth it.

 

Ego for Duncan Robinson + Max Strus or Gabe Vincent

 

If he can use it to trade up and get a player he wouldn't get where he's at anyway, sure that has value. However, Gordon may have that same value or possibly more for trade up, or as an actual player on an expiring contract.

If this is a bad draft after the 1st 10-15 guys, having a 25-30 FRP is not much of an asset. It is more like a 2nd round pick.

I see no reason to help another team if they aren't willing to offer something more than a table scrap.

 

So if Cleveland offers you Rubio's expiring contract and their 2022 1st for Gordon you wouldn't take it because that 1st rounder, based on only your assumptions, can't be used by Stone? Getting an expiring contract back (thereby removing Gordon's cap hit from here on out) plus a 1st rounder is not exactly table scraps but I guess we have a difference in opinion on Gordon's value. The value of the 1st rounder is that it's a 1st rounder. No one can forecast what will happen between now and the draft. Hell, Boston might implode and Tatum decides he wants out and Stone now has one more 1st rounder to throw into the package to acquire Tatum. Or Jaylen Brown gets put on the trading block and Stone can now throw in Cleveland's 1st to sweeten the deal.

The other thing is that Gordon has played extremely well this year but has also been extremely durable this year. If you reject a low end 1st rounder for Gordon this year and wait to trade him next year, you're betting on Gordon to not only play at this high of a level (his 3PT% this year is the highest it's been since his 2014/2015 season) but also to stay healthy so that you can try and flip him again. That's a pretty sizable risk.

 

The general belief in more progressive front office circles is that future UNPROTECTED or limited protected picks have more value. Daryl Morey about a decade ago discussed the liquidity of unused draft picks trump even recently drafted players. I know for a fact that the Rockets would like to do what they did this last draft, which is get a second #1 pick in the top half of this draft, and preferably in the top 10. The Rockets were lucky last year because it was an odd situation with OKC having a pick that they really didn't want or need so they moved it to the Rockets. This year it will likely cost the Rockets more to move up. The Rockets have future picks to make that happen. They may be able to spin a #1 from Miami this season, the #1 from Gordon and maybe another lesser asset into a top 15 pick.

Keep an eye on TyTy Washington, Jean Montero, Hugo Besson and Walker Kessler as possible targets. Right now a lot of people would call these players reaches in the top half of the first round. However, Washington and Montero are both players the Rockets have scouted a lot and Besson is a high ceiling player and Kessler will likely move up as teams break his tape down more. Kessler is a better shot blocker than Holmgren, Mobley and possibly Gobbert. He has really good feel and closing ability on shooters and is able to guard a little on the perimeter. He is very raw as a shooter; but someone that can defend, rebound and is an elite block shot guy will be something the Rockets and a handful of other teams need. He saved his career transferring to Auburn. He also plays very well with Jabari Smith, so if the Rockets get Smith, I wouldn't be shocked to see Kessler on the Rockets as well.

 

Seems like he was just drafted yesterday

 

LOL that was actually from another comment I was gonna leave on another thread but I guess I forgot to delete it and it stayed on there. But yeah I think the point I was gonna make there is that late firsts should be used more as currency rather than being picked. I wouldn't want more than 2 rookies from this next draft.

 

The GM (Griffin) is trying to save his job. The sad thing is that the Pelicans actually have less assets than people would think. They had that Lakers 2022 pick, but they traded it to the Grizzlies. If you look at their roster, there really isn't a lot to want. Lewis and Alexander have virtually no value at this point. Alexander isn't an NBA level player.

The Pelicans could offer the Rockets the Bucks 2025 #1 for Gordon.

I can't see the Pelicans offering any of their own first rounders for Gordon.

From what I am hearing in Sacramento, the Pelicans may be trying to make a bigger deal anyway that would net them more NBA players now that are good at the expense of future draft capital.

 

I'll gladly take that 2024 Lakers 1st from NO for Gordon.