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The Jalen Green Experience is Coming

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mathloom, Nov 9, 2021.

  1. apollo33

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    Slip screens are fine, but those passes need to be dime at the rim to work, the timing window is also small. I don't think anyone on our team right now has the capability to that pass consistently, because you either need to throw it over two defenders, or bounce pass through them. It's prone to turnovers.
     
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    The 2nd Pick is somewhat cursed and people are still shocked when those bust out.
     
  3. DaDakota

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    They only bust out for GM's that don't know what they are doing.

    DD
     
  4. JayZ750

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    Mobley definitely gets more space, but a lot of that is because its just become VERY natural to let bigs have space in the modern NBA. The idea of doubling a big is pretty foreign.

    And of course, a number of his scores come on what you would call "easy" open looks off passes...

    HOWEVER...

    1 - they're easy open looks because he's so tall and long. Sure they require little skill beyond that, but that's something... Alpi is tall and skilled, but even Mobley's easy open looks wouldn't be as easy for Alpi because he just doesn't have quite the length and athleticism.

    2 - the guy is just so sound, so EVEN when its less open, he's putting in solid moves, with soft shots. He had a number of plays last night where it was just a very solid one on one play. Sure, the Rockets don't have great defenders. Kevin Love after starting horrible put in a strong 21/13 night. This is doubly true when one is talking about CWood defending down low. He's soft like dat. But bad defenders or not, Mobley IS VERY GOOD.
     
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  5. Phillyrocket

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    Yeah but it’s all they ever do and rarely does it work. Usually it ends up one on two or three.
     
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  6. JayZ750

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    There is such a thing as a slip screen.

    Then there are CWood screens. They're horrible. A CWood screen vs. a Alpi screen is night and day.

    Another thing about Mobley that is solid, he, like Alpi, sets super solid screens.

    Even when you're a great offensive and rebounding big like CWood is often, bigs really need to do a lot of those little things to fully contribute to winning. Those little things being things like setting solid screens, knowing when to slip, when to roll to the basket, when to roll and pop. Defensively to guard the paint, and also know when to get out to the perimeter, what they're own limitations are so when to sag off the perimeter a bit, etc, etc. Alpi is just as good if not better than Mobley from an IQ perspective here, just not close from the length and athleticism perspective, sadly.

    CWood is poor on all that type of stuff, imo.
     
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  7. fchowd0311

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    CWood as a 2K player rating would have like 98 athleticism and high offensive skillset rating but like a 60 offensive awareness rating.
     
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    Yikes, I missed that gem
     
  9. ApacheWarrior

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    Play was screwed up while being set up.

    You see Mathews look at the clock at around 13 seconds left asking where
    should he go now? Hurry up and get going.

    EGo heads towards Mathews, so Mathews has two choices 1) head towards Green
    or 2) head towards mid court. The idea being his defender follows him.

    Defender did not follow Mathews as he headed towards mid court.....instead
    converged on EGo.

    EGo changed directions and drove. Correct read finish was to pass to open
    shooter in left corner with 4 to 3 seconds remaining.

    Not dribble off his feet out of bounds.
     
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    I don’t watch the games that much these days. Just look online for clips and see what people are saying...



    Do other people see this between Wood and Green?



    Doesn’t seem to be any personal animosity. I guess just not enough chemistry.
     
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    I don't expect him to get an NBA All Defensive Team award, but I think he can be at least average defensively in a few seasons as he gets stronger and learns the concepts. He can recover quickly and snakes through screens right now.
     
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  13. Stephen_A

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    Worked last year more for Wood. Teams figured it out that he never sets real screens lol
     
  14. Stephen_A

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    Wonder if his D awareness would be even lower. Man has no concept of angles and body positioning.
     
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    Mobley Similar to Cade who had a slew of games with little scoring output or effect on the game including 2 recent ones but his 30 pt games and triple doubles etc washed away all the sins.
     
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    Bring on the next game
     
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    got to remember he is only 19 and the coaching staff are happy with his development
     
  18. Stephen_A

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    What I see is Green usually attacks at the wing or corner on 1-1 or if he has an open lane. He doesn’t get the ball at the top of the key a lot and when he does he rarely gets screens. Or he dribbles pull up for threes. Most of his attacks are 1-1 using his own quickness. And that’s why most of the time he doesn’t score and we usually see him dribbling attempting to shake his man but ultimately the ball swings back to Wood or KPJ. He doesn’t have a post game or spots on the floor such as elbows or the short corner. Maybe in due time. That’s why I contend that with his style he needs the ball in his hands to be the alpha dog and make plays and unfortunately there are two other mouths in front of him to feed. I think he would be great if put in that position and into the fire to be the main playmaker and facilitator for this offense. Not a point guard but a main cog that makes this offense go. High screen & rolls and Getting ball at spots all over the floor. And he needs a tough and sturdy pg that can defer to him.
     
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  19. Imanimal

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    With no point guard and no real head coach…it will be an uphill climb for Green to be a star rather than a semi-bust. Hopefully that changes next year. Here is my top five picks if draft were today:
    Cade
    Mobley
    Barnes
    Wagner
    Green
    People on this board are crazy saying Green can make ROY. Again not entirely his fault as two key elements are holding him back, but he tends to lack the drive at times and frequently disappears during games. Has a bit of Ryan Anderson in the playoffs syndrome.
     
  20. Stephen_A

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    Wait a minute. You went on a tirade defending KPJ because you didn’t agree with me criticizing him going as far to saying that it was the wrong forum for me to do so but have no problem talking about Wood here with this other fan, which means you were emotionally invested in some way to KPJ and my comments triggered you. As I said before you’re too emotional. lose the silly emotion and getting riled up. it’s getting really old and tiring.
     
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