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Live Show Talking Rockets Trade Possibilities: 7:30 pm

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Feb 1, 2022.

  1. ApacheWarrior

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    He is playing better lately.

    Spot up/catch and shoot 6'7" player that can act as SF.

    Rockets play Tate a lot at PF so it works as Green/Mathews platoon the 2 spot.
    KMjr/Robinson platoon at the 3 position
    Porter jr / Ish Smith platoon at the 1 spot

    With Eric Gordon and Brooks gone....Mathews and Duncan Robinson would
    provide spacing for Sengun, Porter jr, Green, Tate.

    Does it relate to winning this season?.....no not meant to win now. We tanking!!!
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    Who will the Rockets draft? Probably have top 3 as it is today plus use
    package of new multiple 1st Round picks to move into top 5.

    Could Rockets end up with Banchero(+/or)Chet(+/or)Jabari Smith(+/or)
    Patrick Baldwin (+/or)Jaden Ivey(+/or)AJ Griffin

    Duncan Robinson can be traded again if need be later.
     
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  2. giddyup

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    Well, it does make for one VERY EXCITING night of basketball!
     
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    His bathroom-echo sound is his trademark already. Don't you dare trying to change that.
     
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  4. xiki

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    Cannot agree. While you have, not wholly incorrectly, driven the cars off the lot to greatly lowered values, it is more correct that down the road when you want to, need to acquire specific players dealing picks is the gold standard.

    For that matter, Garuba? Sengun? Christopher? And try to market Green, you’ll still be pleasantly surprised.

    I, for one, am looking forward to the second year jump.
     
  5. xiki

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    Middle Ages? C’mon, man. Not the Middle Ages. We talking Dark Ages. Without even a Dark Angel, forsaken thereof, as well.

    I know a pawn can become a king; we see how the Kings became pawns…
     
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  6. JayZ750

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    Seems to me the question isn't who they have now, but who they want to have in the future.

    This relates both to the tradeable assets, and the ones in the list above.

    Are Wood, Gordon, Wall, Nwaba, Theis and Augustine going to be on this team in 2 years? If not, is there value in their veteran leadership qualities to keep them here to "teach" the young guys? The answer to the first is most likely no. The answer to the second is player by player, but for most, no. I like EG, and Augustine as "teachers", but EGs value is as high right now as it will ever be in this current contract.

    Those answers being the case, you have to look at trades.

    In terms of return, sure, if someone wants to throw in a KPJ type to take a swing, fine, but that's the same idea as a draft pick.

    Hording picks ala OKC to maybe be good in 2027 isn't the ultimate goal, but having the picks to use for the next time some worth player is available and demanding a trade (cough cough please Ja! lol) should be the idea. And if that doesn't come to fruition, well the more swings the more misses but the occasional hit. As easy as it is to dismiss the 76ers decade long turnaround that resulted in just 2nd round exits so far, it's better than some alternatives!
     
  7. DeBeards

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    nah, gordo to Suns, cp3 n gordo reunite, beat GSW (Kerr n the three clowns) to win a chip.
    (I’m fine w others)
     
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  8. Hemingway

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    I doubt we will be able to move up to top five, but maybe top ten.
     
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  9. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    I really like the idea of the Wall-Westbrook swap for the Lakers. It opens up so much room for other trades to be made within the extra 25% of Westbrook's salary. With THT and/or Nunn sent elsewhere, that opens up the Lakers to receive $16-29M in salary.

    That could work with a lot of third teams (not just Kings). Wood for Robinson plus a future FRP...Robinson goes to Lakers. Or Gordon to Raptors with Dragic to LAL. I think the 2027 Lakers pick will be a very valuable trade commodity in the future that the Lakers can't use themselves without a mechanism to take on salary.
     
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  10. NewAge

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    Good thinking, but the Lakers are actually budget limited. That family makes it’s money from the Lakers, it’s a real business for them, it’s not a billionaire vanity project. That’s why they didn’t match Caruso.
     
  11. Joe Joe

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    I got to think that business thrives on winning. Adding an extra $11M plus whatever luxury taxes they have to pay would likely be worth it with a playoff birth. With Lebron only having one year left on his contract after this season, I think there is a lot of pressure to be a playoff team this year and next from a making money standpoint.
     
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    I think Nwaba will be traded for a 2nd pick, perhaps Theis too for a 2nd and an expiring contract. Tilly will save bucks.
     
  13. ApacheWarrior

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    Cavs were rolling before Rubio tore his ACL. Eric Gordon gives them a better version
    of themselves.

    L Markkanen, Mobley, Jarrett Allen give them the three headed monster, mobile
    front court (throw in Kevin Love); while Eric Gordon compliments Garland,
    Okoro and Rondo.

    Cedi Osman filling in some gaps.

    Cavs need to go all in now. They know they need one more piece to contend & are more
    desperate than Suns to give up a first round pick.. Suns think they can stand pat and
    win it all with what they got. Suns will probably go with smaller addition. You don't fix
    what ain't broken. Suns are number one for a reason.
     
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  14. ApacheWarrior

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    Shouldn't take more than 3 or 4 first round picks.

    If I'm the Rockets I'm pushing 3 first round picks with 1 or 2 second round pick(s).
    We used one first round pick to move to #16 to get Sengun. edited: 2 first round picks

    https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/b...-top-5-nba-draft-and-what-it-might-cost-bulls

    Rockets have no room for all of these raw rookies

    Porter jr (1st year truly playing PG)
    Jalen Green
    Kenyon jr
    Josh Christopher
    Sengun
    Garuba
    Mathews is relatively raw
    Tate (raw)
    Add Banchero (for the sake of argument)
    Add Chet (for the sake of argument)

    That's 10 kids the Rockets will be relying on. Can you imagine if the
    Rockets actually used all their picks and drafted players with each one
    of the Nets picks and Miami pick. I know some go to the Thunder...
    But Geez. Diaper dandies would be taken to a whole new level.
     
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  15. Aruba77

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    My take is that if you are good at scouting you aren’t scared to use a lot of the picks instead of trading them. If u hit on picks u can always trade young talent if u need to; it’s a good problem to have. But it’s not enough to be good at talent evaluation; you have to be really good at player development. I have questions there.

    if you look at Green, Sengun, KPJ, KJ Martin, Matthews, Tate, Christopher, just from a raw talent standpoint, those guys are worth sticking with for at least two years with focused intensive player development. That’s 6-7 guys. We’ve got room for maybe 1 or 2 more through the draft. By the end of next year, we’ll know what we have in some of those players, especially if we can get more min for guys like Sengun in the 2nd half of this season.

    hopefully we can cycle out the guys who are not making progress while keeping the guys that do, and keep spinning the draft wheel till we hit the jackpot, or strike gold in a trade for a young franchise player.
     
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  16. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Great episode, but Bima needs a mic, it sounds like he is talking from the bathroom with all that echo-ing - if you didn't see him you would be anticipating a flush at any minute....

    Which would be hilarious if someone had a bad take and then you heard a flush....lol

    Honestly, I hope you don't take professional zoom calls like that @BimaThug because a mic would really help people out in listening.......

    DD
     
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  17. DeBeards

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    that‘s theatrically CORRECT.

    but look, my point is, Gordo (who is at his 33) might talk to Stone let him go AND join a team that has BETTER chance to win a chip.
    but why PHX?

    firstly, PHX knows they are 1-2 key pieces away from settling down their playoff lineup if want to bring down the Bucks this time, and they actually did nothing last summer except adding McGee, everybody knows Gordo and cp3 know each other pretty well (NOL, LAC, HOU), Gordo will fit right in cp3's team without any question;
    secondly, both understands this might be their last opportunity to side by side make a run at a chip esp as the face of a certain franchise, they'll try to let their front offices hearing their voice to push the right button;
    and the last, if i were Gordo, I would try seeing things i.e. a playoff finals picture in Adam Silver's shoes -
    for Adam Silver, both LA teams has been out, business wise, there are only two watchable matchups for 2021-2022 NBA finals (against Bucks):
    A: EST. Bucks (Giannis) vs. WST. Suns (3-b*stard)
    B: EST. Bucks (Giannis) vs. WST. Warriors (Point-God & Booker)

    so, imo, it's Gordo's call now, yes, he's a nice guy, but that doesn't mean he's nothing but a trade asset w/o thoughts, feeling and desire.
     
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  18. ApacheWarrior

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    Seems like we are on the same page.

    Thunder and Rockets could both have a million picks each. Probably not to draft a million players.

    Two options: * use them to trade for the next 6th man that may blossom into Harden success.
    *Package them to trade up in the draft.

    With the Thunder starting to receive our pick...
    I would go for our own pick (seems to be top 3) and move up to try for another highly regarded top 5 player.

    If Harden leaves Nets then maybe those picks become mid first round or better.
     
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    To Miami
    Christian Wood

    To LA

    Duncan Robinson
    Eric Gordon
    DJ Augustin

    To Houston
    Russel Westbrook
    First Available Unprotected pick from Lakers
    2 firsts from Miami
     
  20. ApacheWarrior

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    You are not wrong.

    I would just rather have Rubio expiring contract and a first round pick over Saric who has one more year, plus a first rd pick

    With Cam Johnson and Bridges (+ Booker)....I see more options for Eric Gordon with Cavs. And I think the Sun's go further, which would be worse than the the Cavs pick.
     
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