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Stone is wrong

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ashleyem, Aug 2, 2021.

  1. withmustard

    withmustard Member

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    I'm a big Olynck fan as well, but I wouldn't want the lottery position we would be in right now if he was on our team. Olynck would take us to a fringe play-in team and at least 5 slots down in the draft. I would absolutely like the Rockets to pursue him in 2 years when Wall is off the books, but I think everything played out for the best. I'm not a big Silas fan either, but gotta give him some credit for getting way more out of Olynck than any other coach.

    If Silas is the coach in 23-24, it's a no brainer to pursue him.
     
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  2. jim1961

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    I think its way to early to say its way too early.
     
  3. dobro1229

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    Stone has another offseason to earn his stripes before I think another direction is necessary.

    -Sengun and JC are nice grabs.
    -Green and Garuba are early misses but with nice long term upside “potential.”
    -Theis is sort of a dud for this team but if Stone trades him for anything decent I think it was a good signing.
    -The Harden trade is looking pretty decent potentially

    So we’ll see. But the most important thing he does at this point is by far his draft pick this Summer. Next most important will be moving EG, Wall, and maybe Wood for future pieces to offset the crap we have to unload to OKC for the Westbrook disaster.

    So I say keep him but next Summer I’ll be ready to move on if we see a miss on a few of these important items coming up. Namely that pick this summer.
     
  4. xiki

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    Early…for the Wynn (look’s up).
     
  5. hakeem94

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    why does it matter where you pick when you dont know how to develop?
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  6. D-rock

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    Olynyk was on team last season and Rockets had historically most losses in a season.

    Olynyk would have made game more fun to watch but would not have added any more wins.

    Just like last season.

    Silas is just that bad.

     
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  7. Hemingway

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    for once we agree. Olynk is a career journeyman. There is no use in lamenting the fact that we didn’t overpay him to stay. Silas needs to go, not because we are losing, which is to be expected, but for his lack of structure and guidance on all things basketball. Maybe he should become a social worker.
     
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  8. Bo6

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    most of us wanted Olynk not for wins but the ability to make others around him better. I personally loved his chemistry with KPJ.
     
  9. YOLO

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    The same KO that was on the team just a year ago and the rockets were the worst team in the league w/ him. He suddenly turns the rockets into a fringe play in team? yeah that makes sense.

    *newsflash* he's not that guy
     
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    Chemistry with KJ and Wood too.

    He was a connector on the court.

    His 3P% was sweet too.

    And while the defense was shyte it was not worst defense in league shyte.
     
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  11. withmustard

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    There are only 2 teams in the west that aren't fringe play-in teams right now, OKC and Houston, it's not some high bar. Also, you can't compare the Rockets today vs the Rockets in 2 or 3 years. Ideally, they would develop their youth and improve. KO played very well last year for the Rockets and could contribute to winning in 2 or 3 years.
     
  12. YOLO

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    Only 2 teams? well you're significantly wrong about that.

    sure i can. the rockets were the worst team last year and they're the worst team this year. Without or without KO. he isn't anything close to the type of player that takes you from that to a play in team. quit acting like he's some star who impacts the game that way
     
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    Is this satire? Olynyk is not making the sort of difference
     
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    How am I significantly wrong? You say things like that, but don't back it up with anything. This isn't even a hypothetical debate about the future or anything complicated, it's as simple as looking at the standings right now. Portland at 10 seed has 21 wins, every other team except Houston and OKC have at least 18. So yes, 3 wins away from a .400 team is fringe.
     
  15. YOLO

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    so there's 8 teams under .500. 6 of them are significantly under that mark and yet only 2 teams are not play in teams per you. Stop it. there's a number of teams who flat out suck in the west. They just don't suck as much as the Rockets who are the worst. You really need backup for something so obvious that just needs the use of common sense? Yikes

    imagine being the one having to brag about being a .400 team (which if you didn't know sucks) and acting like you're an actual playoff caliber team. yeah it's that pathetic
     
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    Total deflection from the point and the argument. You're great at that, and also slightly twisting other posters words to prove your point. The point is this, that every team in the west is except Houston and OKC is a fringe play-in team. The word fringe used in this context means "almost". Don't change my words to me saying they "are" a play-in team, or that my goal for the Rockets is to be a .400 team. That isn't what we are talking about.

    I consider any team that is a few wins away from the play in a "fringe play-in team" . If you'd like to discuss that, then great. If not, don't twist my words to suite your narrative.
     
  17. YOLO

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    I don't need to discuss much about teams that suck and your urge to highlight that need as if it's worth much of a discussion. Again there's more than 2 teams easily that are no where near. If you want to highlight sorry teams, by all means do so

    And you actually think KO impacts the game where everyone has already seen the rockets still being the worst team in the league with him in reality. So where's the deflection there. There isn't any because on one side we've already seen what happens with him. Something that's already been actually proven. On the other side, you just want to guess that he would do the opposite
     
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    I would have loved to see Mobley and JA here on the same team but then we don't have Wood or Alpi. I do like how he got KPj even though he quit on us, Tate and KJM were nice gets, and he did manage to get two firsts for Covington. He almost got screwed over by Oladipo and he didn't take Levert either in the Harden deal
     
  19. withmustard

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    Clearly, as you visit the worst team in the West's Fan Page every hour. I'm not knocking you for that, I'm knocking you because of your unwillingness to be reasonable in a discussion.

    My point for the 3rd time, is that every team in the West is within 3 games of the play in, except Houston and OKC. If you consider 3 games as equal to "nowhere near", then fine, that's your definition, but I disagree. I think if a team is 3 games out of the play-in, with roughly half a season left, then that makes them a fringe play-in team, especially if the bar is .400 team. Your out for acknowledging this simple math, and that you are arguing over nothing, is that you don't have time to talk about bad teams, or I want to "highlight" bad teams.

    You just repeat yourself with conviction, but bring no substance to what you say at all. You just say that I'm "easily" wrong and stop there. If we can't see eye to eye on this simple thing, that's based on numbers and facts, then I won't even begin to discuss KO.
     
  20. YOLO

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    it doesn't matter what on feb 2 that a team clearly below .500 by a significant margin says they're some true play in team. The point is they're one of the worst teams in the league and suck.

    You don't need to discuss KO. because there's nothing meaningful to say after your claim he would impact winning to a certain level, when he clearly didn't a year ago on this very team. not interested in your complete guesses and assumptions
     
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