KPjr has more to do with us winning games RIGHT NOW than anyone on the roster

Our job is to either cheer or complain, his is much more attractive and he gets paid a lot while doing it.

You tell me who got the better job.....

 

The Pleasure/Pain Principle in real time.

 

CF still hates SCOOT.

The majority anyway.

 

I dont know man. The bipolar pessimism of this place is strange lately. When Green plays good and Scoot does not the vitriol shifts. This place will hate whoever doesnt play well and thats ok. Ive been around long enough to know what a full rebuild entails. I'll be here to enjoy the ups and downs and hopefully the rewards with all of our young players when they reach their potential. Toxic positivity right?

 

Not seeing that but perhaps its moreso in Silas system.

Certainly was not running point like that with the Vipers.

 

Green has had only a handful of good games, KPJ has had a longer career but he's racked way more double doubles and +20 games than Green.

And KPJ has only been a starter for half a season longer than Green AND is still learning a new position (actually the hardest position on the court).

But I agree that when they struggle THEY struggle in horrific fashion.

 

I think he's more suited to backup PG at this point.

But Rockets do not have a legit starting PG on roster.

One who suits up anyway.

Why I keep advocating for Ben Simmons.

 

Its not really apples to apples is it though? Scooter has the ball in his hands almost all the time. He has shown the innate ability to be a top line passing guard, and he's shown to be a great scorer with a penchant for the big shot also. His body has filled out and his career arc is starting to rise, but yet you'll still have the guys saying he's a live wire that cant be trusted and they will hold those feelings forever. Some guys here are dismantling Green for odd reasons and are showing they have no idea what development is and how to apply some deductive reasoning when trying to compare rookies and their own independent situations.

Trash Green when he plays bad? Sure. Thats fair. Proclaim bust and assure a poor player moving forward? Ego.

 

I agree on the bust talk, unnecessary.

But the expectation generated by Rockets FO, draft analysts, Green Only Fans and even from Green himself was that Green was going to be an immediate impact player.

This has been FAR from the case, even you can admit that.

And while I favored drafting a different player, I knew that Green was a long term project.

 

As an avid basketball fan you should know players fresh out of high school rarely make impacts like that. He offered some unique traits for a young kid and his scoring was mostly what was expected to translate quicker than it has. Mobley and Cade were touted as far more NBA ready and that has shown to be the case. Stone looked at best case scenario at what a Jalen Green reaching his ultimate ceiling could look like. Undoubtedly he is struggling, but he has flashed enough for smart fans to show some patience. Mocking him and high fiving his struggles from Rocket fans is seriously disgusting this early in the process.

 

I don't think you need to have a CP3, Harden, Curry, etc at the point to build a championship team.

If you have good passers overall across the team and such that can make a big difference. KP3 is showing he can drive and dish and showing improvement in his passing. Does he have amazing vision? No, but he does certain things really well.

 

C'mon man, Mobley was not touted to be more NBA ready than Green, especially by CF and most NBA draft experts.

Remember, Mobley stayed in college and played lower competition vs kids who will never play in NBA, had a high ass, too frail to hold up in post, overrated guard skills, unpolished offense, or even if his elite switch ability 1-5 would translate to NBA.

While Green was the most explosive athlete in draft, advanced 3 level scorer, played vs grown ass men in a pro system with G League Ignite and GM poll choose him to have immediate impact in NBA even if he was only 1 dimensional player (skinny and defensively challenged).

Let's not go down this rabbit hole again.

But patience and a thick skin will be required for Green.

 

I think people were generally overrating (and still are) the ability of the G League to develop these guys. Only been a couple years though.

 

I do not mean that you need to have CP3, Harden, etc at point to win a ring. Those guys have not won a ring. What I am saying is when KPJ is in the game the possession almost always ends with only 1 or 2 of our players touching the ball (much like a Harden led offense). That kind of offense becomes predictable. Now, it could very well be because that's exactly how Silas wants the offense to run when KPJ is in the game. It might be a Silas' way of using KPJ the best and only way he knows how or KPJ is really only limited to these kinds of plays. When KPJ is out of the game, there is ball movement and body motion. Next time you watch the game, count how many players touch the ball when KPJ first touches the ball vs the offense when KPJ is out of the game. You won't need to keep a running count on paper or anything... You'll see a big difference.

Again, I believe in KPJ's talent, skills, etc. Although I do not believe any team will win with an offense built around a 2 man game of KPJ + whoever though.

 

This is something that has not been discussed much, but I believe Green's success or failure can impact the NCAA and their future. Maybe kids should go to school.

 

This season has proven to me that the G-league is definitely not the “Grown-Man’s League” that many, including myself, thought of it as. While the average talent level is higher, I don’t think it prepared the Ignite kids as much as it should have for the NBA game. But the NCAA is a piece of ****, so maybe the best option is to play in Australia or something. Australia is awesome

 

The Gleague formerly Dleague has always been at the forefront of finding a new home for marginal players.

You were probably misguided but you have to go within yourself and ask yourself why you thought that way.

Was it misinformation or were you just not researching enough....

There is only 1 NBA and every other league is miles below.

 

bro literally the very first item when you search “most nba ready prospects 2021”

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba...-players-big-board/118cb88px8h3c1ahyf5vzkpn9h

not using it as definitive proof just thought it was funny. Then in the same search you run the gamut of takes on all sides with some publications high on Cade and Green too. The top 5 guys were interchangeable in the discussion of readiness pre draft there was no consensus this place also had a strong Suggs support.

Mobley with his natural size was going to be more prepared to make an impact it was said. I thought he’d get thrown around, and while he’s no physical player by any means is very effective in todays NBA. I had my doubts and have been genuinely impressed with the glue he offers to a balanced team. He catches lobs well and makes open shots. Great at out rebounding and putting back and his size and quickness are a problem for offenses.

Cade with the ball in his hand every single possession was probably most ready for todays game since he is the primary option and playmaker for that team after doing it in college and he’s responded amazingly. I thought he wasn’t athletic enough. Something just clicked recently and away he went because he looked BAD for a hot minute. (edit: Had a stinker game last night just checked -- rookie growing pains)

As a fan of Jalen I’ll just hope the light goes off for him too. He’s shown he has the skill to be special and it’s taking longer to achieve the consistency everyone would like. It’s crazy the way he’s destroyed around here for Mobley or other fantasy scenarios and interestingly for a bust and “worst player in the NBA” - less than a point separates their scoring averages. (14.8 vs 14.1) and Cade at 16 per game makes me feel Jalen isn’t as far behind as some think. Greens defense and playmaking were always question marks to begin with. He’s shooting bad lately. I’ve also seen him hit 8 3s in one game. That’s half of all the 3s Mobley has hit this year. Blind luck?

Im positive about all OUR rookies. Scooter will play a vital role in that mix too I’ve been on that wave since I was watching afternoon RGV games last season. As a group they have the chance to create something special and get us back to respectability. Thick skin will come in handy as they all grow together without needing to compare to other players in completely different situations and think it’s applicable to this team. Sadly it will probably involve another year of losing so stock the liquor cabinet.

Now we can go argue about Chet/Jabari/Banchero and what free agent to sign for 2024.

 

It is refreshing to hear another Rockets fan show patience and positivity. I agree with this take in its entirety.

 

Hey, shythead, didn’t I tell you to stop manufacturing bulshit here?!!!
Green was considered most ready to contribute, when will you stop your pathetic attempts at revisionist history?

Here’s the ESPN consensus:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32433496/nba-experts-picks-mvp-rookie-year-more

Here’s the GM consensus:
https://www.nba.com/news/2021-22-gmsurvey

You got caught manufacturing evidence here to push this point, yet shamelessly continue to push this bogus narrative.
Stick to your infantile act here, and stop trying to gaslight!