Rockets open to trading John Wall for Russell Westbrook if incentivized

If we’re moving Marcus Morris for Boston’s protected 1st, what’s our compensation for trading Eric Gordon? Al Horford?

Gordon is worth a protected 1st himself.

 

That's a good point too. I think it would probably be hard to squeeze out two protected 1sts from Boston for Morris/Gordon

 

Yea I have almost zero faith that Wall will get traded this season but if someone credible like Kevin O'Connor puts it out into the universe maybe it's not so crazy lol

 

Stone couldn't get a FRP for Dipo.

Likely not getting one for Wood or EGo either.

Do you really feel he can swing a FRP for Marcus Morris????

 

I wonder if Sixers would take any of Ibaka, Morris, Bledsoe + Tate, Garuba, 2 FRP, 2 swaps for Simmons?

Or reroute any of Clips pupu platter to Pacers with LeVert to Sixers.

 

I doubt that anyone would give a FRP for Morris. Maybe we could get a SRP for him AGAIN after having done the same 9 years ago.

So Wall + Gordon for 1 protect FRP, 1 SRP, Bledsoe and two expiring. Not bad. Most people would be satisfied with getting a FRP for Gordon. And breaking up Wall's contract into several smaller, more tradable ones would be great.

 

Eric Gordon, Cristian Wood and Marcus Morris were all better than the version of Victor Oladipo that we had.

 

I'd take a heavily protected 1st for him....Top 20 protected and if it doesn't convey it turns to 2 2nds?

 

Lol so true re: Dipo.

 

I agree!

But that still doesnt give me any confidence that Stone can get any FRP for any of those players either.

Dude has lied out of his ass before.

 

Remember when he was supposed to go to games and be a coach for our young guys lol.

 

Stone’s is about to seriously threaten the All-Time records in BS-ing this year.

 

Has any NBA player ever quietly sat through an entire NBA season? Honestly all I've seen is how much he cares about money and how little he cares about basketball or winning a title.

If he thinks he's good enough to be a franchise player, how come he can't give us $20m back in a buyout, go to the winningest team that will give him minutes, prove himself to be worth $20m over the next 2-3 years and he's set.

He just doesn't believe in himself though, so why should we? Let his contract expire. He'll eventually agree to a buyout.

 

Good point. Also, if he doesn’t believe in himself that he can re-coup, why would the Lakers or Clippers believe in him, to part away with assets?
Honestly, if I am running the Lakers I would not trade WB straight, let alone attach assets.
At this stage of his career, the last two seasons, Russ has shown that he can play at an All Star level for about a couple of months per season. First with us; then he took WAS on a spectacular run to earn a playoff spot. What has John Wall shown lately? Pretty much zero.

If I am Pelinka for example, I would probably stick with WB and hope the switch turns on when it matters and I get a couple of months of All-Star play going into the playoffs… Seems like a higher probability than praying that Wall can give something material to your goals of a championship.

 

To be fair, Wall has suffered some truly devastating injuries. I think it's understandable that he, more than most, knows that tomorrow isn't guaranteed in the NBA and that he will never get the kind of money on the open market that he's due over the next season and a half.

This isn't to excuse his behavior, but it's understandable.

 

That's a really fair point I hadn't considered.

 

Wall believes in himself, he doesn't believe the greedy owners will give him the money.

That is a different thing all together.

DD

 

That's not the point, though. In a buyout you don't surrender all that is due to you.
We don't know the exact parameters of what's been discussed, but let's say he's asked to forfeit 1yr of MLE money, as an example. If he refuses, that tells you that he doesn't feel like he can get a 1 yr MLE deal in the off-season...

 

Even if he believed in himself (I am sure he does), the potential injury factor has to weigh heavily on a buy out decision. $20 million is a lot of money. He is a twisted knee away from never signing another contract. He is closer to a vet minimum guy than an all star at this point.

 

His total wealth might change by 1-3% in the absolute worst case scenario where he gets injured before he can even sign a contract. If he believes he can't stay healthy for 6-12 months to secure a contract then, again, he doesn't believe in himself. Why should anyone pay more than the minimum for a guy who doesn't believe he'll be healthy long enough or be able to earn back $20m total within a career where he's made over $200m already.

Come on man. A person who loves basketball and winning can't be kept from the court that easily. He's running out of time to win a title and solidify his career, doesn't give a F.

If I can't take a $20m bet on myself to save 50% of the rest of my career after I've made $200m with someone holding my career hostage, what the F did I make money for?