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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. Major

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    From that same poll...

    The Monmouth University Poll also finds that just over half of Americans (52%) support instituting, or reinstituting, face mask and social distancing guidelines in their home state.

    Less than half of the public (43%) supports requiring people to show proof of vaccination in order to work in an office or other setting where they are around other people.

    Opinion on how the American public is dealing with the pandemic remains largely negative at 29% good job and 58% bad job (similar to 27% good and 56% bad in December).


    While wanting to get back to normal, half also want mask mandates and 40% want vaccine mandates. And most everyone thinks the American people suck at this.
     
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    Most of these shitkickers have really dumb families kneedeep in denial. They get bent on the daily by Con media to the point where it'd make a battered spouse blush, yet they keep that chin up, stay proud and look strong (T&Ps accepted...Gofundme appreciated!).

    Murca's silent warriers with their special passive aggressive **** You to those evil evil libs...
     
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    Time to break out Kool & The Gang “ Celebration” for you scared rabbits in here.
     
  5. Commodore

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    I sincerely hope you are smarter than the nonsense you post ... and ... you do not catch CV-19.
     
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  7. tinman

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    Elon Rules
     
  8. The Real Shady

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    Yes, he needs to stop posting stuff from low iq individuals like Elon Musk.
     
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  9. Gioan Baotixita

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    Absolutely. This is one of the scared rabbits that I often talked about it in here.
     
  10. deb4rockets

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    If and when you ever have surgery I think the surgeons and nurses should just blow off wearing surgical masks. After all, you don't think they stop the spread of germs.
     
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    Elon Musk is very smart, but he's just confused Covid-19, a disease, with Sars-Cov-2, a virus. It's not his field of expertise, so it's fully understandable.
     
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    Sort of like cave subs.
     
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  14. Invisible Fan

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    I always wondered about the Con claim where covid deaths were "padded" with outlying causes...i.e. hit by lightning or drunk driver, "b-b-but he got covid so it counts as covid" type shenanigans (it's 73-90% directly attributable to covid).

    If you can't trust WSJ's numbers, I got some Bro Jogan jokes that aren't played out and very witty for the chuckleheads out there @peterpan69er

    Omitting the people angle cuz 10k character limit.

    WSJ - One Million Deaths: The Hole the Pandemic Made in U.S. Society
    Covid-19 has been directly responsible for most of the fatalities, but the disease is also unraveling families and communities in subtler ways
    Two years into the Covid-19 pandemic, America’s death toll is closing in on one million.

    Federal authorities estimate that 987,456 more people have died since early 2020 than would have otherwise been expected, based on long-term trends. People killed by coronavirus infections account for the overwhelming majority of cases. Thousands more died from derivative causes, like disruptions in their healthcare and a spike in overdoses.

    Covid-19 has left the same proportion of the population dead—about 0.3%—as did World War II, and in less time.

    Unlike the 1918 flu pandemic or major wars, which hit younger people, Covid-19 has been particularly hard on vulnerable seniors. It has also killed thousands of front-line workers and disproportionately affected minority populations.

    It robbed society of grandparents, parents, spouses, sons and daughters, best friends, mentors, loyal employees and bosses. Those lost include a 55-year-old Rhode Island correctional officer; a 46-year-old Texas dental-office receptionist who helped care for her granddaughter; a 30-year-old Iowan who fatally overdosed; and an active 72-year-old and grandmother of 15 who was Nashville’s first female city bus driver.

    “It’s catastrophic,” said Steven Woolf, director emeritus at the Center on Society and Health at Virginia Commonwealth University. “This is an enormous loss of life.”

    It could take years to fully realize the lasting social changes the pandemic and its human toll will yield. Major wars can redraw maps, shift the balance of global power and leave memorials in the nation’s capital. The pandemic is a reminder our biggest enemies are often too small to see.

    Epidemiologists commonly measure excess deaths to gauge the full impact of major events, from heat waves to hurricanes. For the pandemic, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention calculated the excess by comparing deaths from each week of the pandemic to averages from the prior six years. The agency makes some adjustments to account for factors such as the time it takes to collect death certificates; declines in other causes of death such as influenza that offset some Covid-19 deaths; and the possibility some people who died of Covid-19 might have died from something else by now.

    In 2019, the U.S. recorded 2.85 million deaths, following a climb of about 1.6% a year over the decade as the population grew and aged. In 2020, the number ballooned by 18.5% to 3.38 million deaths. Last year, provisional data show 3.42 million deaths.

    The CDC has registered roughly 875,000 Covid-19 fatalities on death certificates. In at least 90% of those cases, the disease is listed as the underlying cause, the agency said. For the remainder, it was listed as a contributing cause.

    The ‘anchor’
    A Wall Street Journal analysis of CDC data shows the pandemic has weighed especially heavily on the elderly, fueled by the risk older people face from serious Covid-19 cases. There are roughly 700,000 excess deaths among people 65 and up, about 1.5% of that population, the Journal’s analysis shows.
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    One study, published in the scientific journal PLOS One last September estimates that roughly 7.4 million years of life were lost in the U.S. in 2020 alone, with 73% of them attributable directly to Covid-19.

    ‘I’m Lost’

    The federal government has counted more than 145,000 Covid-19 deaths among nursing-home residents, most in the pandemic’s first year, before vaccines curbed the risk faced by this vulnerable population. At least 2,250 nursing-home staffers have died from Covid-19, too.

    Overall, the excess death toll includes about 140,000 people of prime working age—25 to 54, according to the Journal’s analysis.

    Through the end of December, about 192,500 children under 18 have lost a parent or another primary caregiver to Covid-19, said Susan Hillis, lead author of a recent CDC report on the topic. Nonwhite children faced the steepest loss, she said.

    “This is a lot more than a ripple. It is a tidal wave,” Dr. Hillis said.

    Another study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in July 2020, estimated that each Covid-19 death affects an average of nine close relatives.

     
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    ‘A very old problem’
    The pandemic exposed racial and ethnic disparities that already lurked in health outcomes. These disparities are one reason why the U.S. had a particularly high proportion of people who died in middle age or younger, said Dr. Woolf, who has studied the issue.

    “Covid-19 was like a very acute, new example of a very old problem,” he said.

    The disparity showed in the deaths among prime-age workers, who are 25 to 54. Hispanic people make up 20% of this age group but 30% of its excess deaths, while Black people make up 14% and 25%, respectively. By comparison, white people account for 58% of the group and 35% of its excess deaths and Asian-Americans 8% and 3%, respectively.

    Experts say the disparities stem from many factors, including different rates of occupational exposure, access to health care and pre-existing health conditions.
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    Collateral damage
    In explaining the overall excess death count, epidemiologists believe many Covid-19 deaths were never properly recorded as such, and that there were significant fatalities resulting from other kinds of health and social problems that became amplified by the pandemic.

    The degree to which these elements are influencing the numbers is uncertain. The U.S. was likely missing more Covid-19 deaths early in the pandemic, said Robert Anderson, chief of the mortality statistics branch at the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics. Tests to confirm cases were in short supply then, and doctors who fill out death certificates were still gaining familiarity with the virus.

    It isn’t always clear whether some categories of deaths that rose during the pandemic were directly linked. Homicides have risen, for example, but there is debate among criminologists and law-enforcement officials about why.

    A surge in deaths among people with Alzheimer’s disease and dementia underscored a more direct impact: major disruptions in care, including as Covid-19 barreled through nursing homes and isolated seniors with significant care needs from their families. There is also evidence of rising deaths from other issues, including heart attacks, that could be linked to patients avoiding hospitals grappling with Covid-19 cases, physicians have said. Some of these surging health problems appeared most concentrated in the pandemic’s early days.

    Meantime, U.S. drug overdose deaths, already at record highs, soared about 30% in 2020, and early data show the toll may have worsened last year. The pandemic was destabilizing for people already struggling with addiction, or trying to seek sobriety, parents of recent overdose victims say.

    It was harder for Nick Fort to find addiction treatment, due to full beds and Covid-19 restrictions, according to his mother, Sally Fort. Though he sought help many times through years of struggles, he overdosed and died at 30 on a mix of fentanyl and cocaine at his suburban Des Moines, Iowa, home in early November.

    Avoidable deaths
    Epidemiologists say higher vaccination rates would have saved many people. Some of the hardest-hit places last year, in excess deaths per 100,000 residents, are Southern states with lower-than-average vaccination rates, federal data show. The U.S. has wide disparities in vaccine adoption, recently ranging from a 52.5% full-vaccination rate among Alabama’s eligible population to 83.2% in Vermont and Rhode Island.

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    There are fears these losses will be forgotten on a broad scale, beyond those directly affected. The pandemic of 1918 faded quickly into the background, said Alex Navarro, assistant director of the Center for the History of Medicine at the University of Michigan. That event killed an estimated 675,000 people, nearly six times as many Americans as World War I, yet was overshadowed by the war, he said.

    Though Covid-19 cases are fading now from record-breaking peaks hit during the Omicron variant-fueled surge, deaths, a lagging indicator, have recently averaged more than 2,000 reported each day. Omicron caused another significant round of disruptions at hospitals as patients flooded in and workers fell ill.

    It will likely take years to fully realize the pandemic’s toll, health experts say. The consequences of people delaying care for chronic illnesses, like diabetes, or delaying cancer screenings that could catch harmful malignancies early have yet to be fully realized, said Gerald Harmon, a family physician in South Carolina who serves as president of the American Medical Association.

    “The impact on society is just beginning to be felt now,” he said.​
     
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    Beat me to it.

    What Denmark shows is that while vaccination including boosting might not stop infection by Omicron it greatly reduces it progressing to serious disease. As such since Danish hospitals aren't full like many US hospitals that they can live with the disease. Denmark is proving that this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

    Also note just because Denmark is lifting restrictions for it's citizens they still are retaining travel restrictions and visitors may still need to use vaccine passports.
    https://www.dw.com/en/covid-digest-denmark-lifts-almost-all-restrictions/a-60618361
    "In the last week, Denmark has counted between 33,000 and 47,000 new cases daily with the surge brought on by the omicron variant. But critically, hospital cases and deaths have been stable, while patient numbers in intensive care units have been falling.

    The country's high vaccination rate has been credited for the absence of an overwhelming number of hospitalized patients with new infection numbers as high as they are. More than 60% of people in Denmark have received three doses of the vaccine, whereas the EU average is at 45%.

    Only visitors to Denmark will still be required to present proof of vaccination. Hospitals and nursing homes are being advised to keep certain restrictions, like face masks and the checking of vaccine passes."
     
  18. DFWRocket

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    Most of this was in the video he posted..he just doesn't actually read the articles or watch the videos he posts.
     
  19. coachbadlee

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    The truth moves at a snail's pace.

     
  20. Commodore

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    what stopped the spread of germs prior to ubiquitous mask wearing?
     

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