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[The Hill] Spotify sides with Joe Rogan after Neil Young ultimatum

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  1. fchowd0311

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    I know you think it's not a boycott. I'm still confused why though.

    If Neil Young asks his subscribers to boycott what is the goal of the boycott? Boycotts have intended purposes. So the same purpose is there, to deplatform Rogan.

    Neil Young isn't using government to censor. He's removing himself from a platform in a form of a boycott and asking other artists to do the same which is a common thing in boycotts(attempts to spread boycott). The purpose of spreading a boycott is to get the desired action by the company that is being boycotted. The desired action here is to deplatform Rogan.
     
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    that's fine, if you'd like to interpret Young's actions as a "boycott," no one is here stopping you. A boycott is usually an organized and widespread/shared protest to inflict a type of economic pressure on an entity by way of social/economic ostracism.

    Young acting alone is not a boycott. Young demanding "it's my way of the highway" is not a boycott.

    Now, if Young were to organize dozens, or hundreds, or thousands of his fellow musicians to boycott Spotify, that would be a boycott, but on a different level. That would no longer be a consumer boycott--although I suppose one might refer to musicians who sell their music on Spotify and other platforms as a kind of "consumer."

    The fact that a few other musicians (e.g., Lofgren) have decided to join Young in leaving Spotify doesn't yet make it a boycott, at least not an effective one, because they're not actually applying any real economic pressure on Spotify. To me it seems that a boycott needs a critical mass of support. If I go into a grocery store and say loudly "I'm boycotting Charmin toilet paper" and proceed to buy the Scott brand toilet paper, it's not yet really a boycott, is it? it's just me throwing a weird kind of hissy fit in aisle 8 of my local Stop and Shop.

    But again, your mileage may vary. If you would like to call Young's extortive demands addressed to Spotify as a "boycott," there's no one stopping you. I'll support you in your nonstandard and idiosyncratic use of the term. For solidarity. ;)
     
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  3. fchowd0311

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    How is any boycott not extortive? A boycott is meant to be extortive. "If you don't meet our demands we will attempt to make your product not profitable". That is the core essence of any boycott.

    Neil not planning this **** out in a coordinated manner makes it not a boycott?

    I can't individually boycott a product?
     
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  4. Os Trigonum

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    sure you can. go for it
     
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    I know I can but I'm just confused with your usage of the term itself. That's the discussion right?

    I understand. If we frame this as a mere boycott which it is, then the whole "free speech is erroding because of the left" narrative sounds a lot weaker. Framing boycotts as censorship is pretty smart in terms of propaganda.
     
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    I'll concede the point. it's a boycott.
     
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    Of course because people on the Right have never done things like try to pressure the NFL to get rid of players for expressing themselves.
     
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    Well done Joe Rogan. Neil Young can **** off.
     
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    yeah people who suddenly are against Joe Rogan never watched his podcasts

    this is EXACTLY like when the Woke Wack Woksters tried to cancel Dave Chappelle
     
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    Woko Haram can go ***** itself.
     
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    That's the thing - the right demanded rap music get banned, for certain art not be displayed, to ban teachers from teaching slavery and racism happened, and have football players kicked out of the league.

    But god forbid Neil Young threatening to take his music off Spotify!!! Now that's real censorship!

    This is what they are crying about? This!? Neil Young taking his music off of Spotify is now censorship but none of the other stuff is a problem to them.
     
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    Sorry - saw this was posted before…
     
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    clearly this guy needs to be shut down. DANGER DANGER

    danger will robinson.gif
     
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    here's a guy who agrees with your framing Young's action as a boycott:

    Neil Young’s Spotify Boycott Isn’t ‘Brave’
    It’s just dumb and intolerant.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/01/neil-youngs-spotify-boycott-isnt-brave/
     
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    Shout out to clutch for not banning us for saying fauci might be wrong before fauci was actually deemed wrong.
     
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    Spotify stock rebounds after Joe Rogan apology

    https://theweek.com/coronavirus/1009616/spotify-stock-rebounds-after-joe-rogan-apology

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    Spotify's stock prices have recovered after a drop caused by Neil Young and Joni Mitchell removing their music from the platform to protest the streamer's continued platforming of podcast host Joe Rogan, Reuters reported Monday. The two singers accused Rogan of spreading misinformation about COVID-19.

    Spotify prices slid from $193.56 per share on Jan. 24 — the day the "Cortez the Killer" singer delivered his ultimatum that Spotify "can have Rogan or Young. Not both" — to just under $173 per share on Friday, a drop of around 10 percent that wiped out over $2 billion in market value.

    By the end of the trading day Monday, share prices were back up to $195.36.

    Rogan's apology appears to have fixed the problem.
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    more at the link
     
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    if u believe that, i have a bridge in Arizona to sell you!

    from a Nov 2021 high of 306, the stock prize of Spotify has dropped to as low as 164 on Fri, 28 Jan 2022, a ~ 50% drop.
    from that level, today's rise to 194 amounts to a dead-cat's bounce

    bluntly put, in stock market parlance, a dead-cat's bounce is but a "sucker's rally."
    SPOT's earnings report is scheduled for 2 Feb, after market closing. i expect high volatility
     
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  20. Buck Turgidson

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    Yeah, about that....

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