But he had a floater, which pretty much makes up for mid-range jumpers. Developing a floater and a couple of moves off his great first step would make Green elite offensively.
Well some of us are - If you have an opinion about someone and you want to run it by fellow Clutchfans to see if they have a different view and it might make you think, then sure..... @Phillyrocket just dropped a bit I was unsure of about him being a catch and shoot SG - I always thought he was a ball dominant player - as is KPJ - thus the redundancy. I may not agree with Philly, but his take is solid and it gets you to thinking. In the end, I just want the Rockets to get better, the sooner the better. DD
At this stage anybody who can't see a lot of this is down to the coaching is being wilfully ignorant tbh. How can you not make 2 bigs work when that's how NBA teams have been constructed for decades? It makes no sense. We used to play small ball in D'Antoni's system, which did make sense because of the philosophy behind it. With Silas, the coach just doesn't know how to make his players effective without playing weird, bullshit lineups that're predominately built around taking players out to make others effective. That's not good coaching. A good coach can take what's in front of him and tailor it around his philosophy to make it work. The only time D'Antoni really did that was moving Capela to try and make Russ less trash, and I'd argue his last season with us was by far his least inspired.
I don't disagree with this. My point was that this is no longer the Morey-MDA Houston Rockets where midrange was pretty much taken out of everybody's game. I have always advocated for developing more weapons rather than self-limiting to the "more efficient" shots. Green obviously has a lot of things that need to be developed. A consistent 3pt shot. A better finishing through contact. And a midrange pull up jumper. I believe the floater is a more difficult shot to master. Harden didn't have that until the last few years after he had mastered the step back 3. Green is pretty much a straight line one gear type of player. He needs to learn to change direction and speed.
Apparently DD is now the voice of reason when it comes to assessing Jalen Green and his patience for one young player does not translate to another. Go figure! LOL
It was the only way to play Russ AND still field a top team in West. It was actually innovative and successful. Weird lineups are considered creative if team wins, not when they lose.
Seriously though I see you go out of your way to support Scooter. I've also seen you talk about the patience needed with young players and having some sort of "parenting" vibe to the situation. Why does one kid merit more patience over another? Most reasonable basketball fans knew that this situation was tailor made for losing and DEVELOPING. Just seems contradictory for you to espouse that with one kid and not the other. Without injecting your idea about what a #2 pick should look like and your love of Mobley notwithstanding its about what they will look like a year or two in the future. KPJ was getting sht on left and right to begin the year too. Seems like the cynical ROX fan likes to jump in between those two in venting sessions. IF you really want some meaningful dialogue you could always start back at page 1 and revisit the topics. They've been discussed repeatedly before it turned into a flame war.
Morey didnt take away CP3's midrange. Only took it away from the players that sucked at it. Which is pretty much the majority of NBA. Context matters.
Oh I agree it was the best move. I just think that in that season he lost his edge a little bit, let games run away from us without making adjustments. Alongside the league catching up and figuring out our style from the previous 2 seasons it started to feel a little stale. That 17-18 season was undoubtedly his peak with us, and I felt the decline started in the game we went 0-27 whilst still chucking threes. Lesser coaches wouldn't have been near as successful though, of that I'm sure. (Which only further proves the point that it's not just the players, but the coaches who are intrinsic to a teams success.)
I agree with this. If he had Kawhi there's no way Morey would forbid him the midrange either. What makes a shot efficient isn't set in stone, and is partially defined by the players. I think Morey knows that, he's too smart not to tbh.
It would be hilarious to hear all of the comments in this read in front of people (or public forum) with the commenter there with their clutchfans name above them lighting up whenever a post of theirs is read. For example, whatever the hell Newage looks like squirming as he talks about Green’s “girly” looks. That’s the thing though. This is the Internets. You do not talk like that in person/in public. You keep those little jewels of wisdom anonymous.
Harden didn't suck at the midrange. He was mediocre. Of course, his midrange was nowhere close to the efficiency of the 3pt shot. Very few players do. But totally take the shot out? I mean, he took TWO midrange shots out of ONE HUNDRED FGAs. That's practically zero. I have argued with someone else about this and have no intention to dig this debate out again. Harden's overall efficiency did not improve AFTER he abandoned the midrange. That is evidence that shooting "efficient shots" exclusively does not make you more efficient. Commonsense tells you that if you eliminate a big floor area from your offense, you make it that much easier for the opponent to defend you and effectively make creating your "efficient shot" more difficult.
That's an interesting point. The shot might be more efficient on paper, but the strategy is certainly way more predictable. We saw the results of that predictability at the end of the Harden era.
I didn't say Harden sucked at midrange. Nor did I say that Morey made Harden stop taking the midrange. Your reading too deeply into what I did not say.
My bad for misreading you. I don't think Morey would ever tell specific players to stop shooting the midrange. Even the coach probably wouldn't do that to a star player. (The closest I could see was having Westbrook stop shoot 3s.) But the philosophy of "3 or layup" is as clear as day since the McHale time. (I believe McHale was the first head coach Morey had that would fully buy into his analytics driven philosophy and that was likely part of the reasons why he was hired.) And I am quite sure that such philosophy was being communicated to the players.
I think that was the consensus before the draft ..... instant offense and no defense. Hell, he shot a decent percentage in the GL. Now he can't buy a bucket. I hate his shot .... it reminds me of a 9 year old shooting on a 10ft goal.
Preach patience for a 3rd year vet who legit left the team during a game, but halfway into a season already has the belief that the org whiff on drafting green. Voice of reason lol. Stone blew it with his first high pick halfway into the season, but patience is needed for a 3rd year vet paraphrasing dd voice of reason? more like voice of a hypocrite
