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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy
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    Actually Sweden.
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    In the early days when there wasn’t vaccines or other treatments tog COVID lockdowns we’re needed to flatten the curve to keep our health systems from getting overwhelmed. They were never sustainable and even in the PRC they aren’t sustainable.

    Reducing mortality is due to many factors and can be addressed in many ways. In my own recent experience I was in The Netherlands when they locked down and in Singapore which didn’t lock down but had other restrictions such as very thorough contact tracing, mask mandates and high vaccination. Singapore adjusted for population is better than the Netherlands but both are doing better than the US.
     
  3. Amiga

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    Looks like this is a working paper or has not yet been released for peer review. I don't see it published on any peer review site.

    Reading through it looks like they excluded multiple studies that show "lockdown" reduces covid mortality (for example, they excluded one that shows 3M live saved). They explain their reasoning for excluding this and other studies that showed reduction in mortality. It also seems like this is focused only on Europe and US.

    I quickly google these 3 authors and at least two of them have been anti-gov lockdown. It kind of screams BIAS.



    Here is one that is a systematic review and meta-analysis that have been released for peer review and I believe have been reviewed.

    Effectiveness of public health measures in reducing the incidence of covid-19, SARS-CoV-2 transmission, and covid-19 mortality: systematic review and meta-analysis

    https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068302
     
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    Show me credible evidence that the statement I bolded is true.
     
  5. Amiga

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    Dying of Whiteness

    With the rise of the Tea Party and the election of Donald Trump, many middle- and lower-income white Americans threw their support behind conservative politicians who pledged to make life great again for people like them. But as Dying of Whiteness shows, the right-wing policies that resulted from this white backlash put these voters’ very health at risk—and in the end, threaten everyone’s well-being.

    Physician and sociologist Jonathan M. Metzl travels across America’s heartland seeking to better understand the politics of racial resentment and its impact on public health. Interviewing a range of Americans, he uncovers how racial anxieties led to the repeal of gun control laws in Missouri, stymied the Affordable Care Act in Tennessee, and fueled massive cuts to schools and social services in Kansas. Although such measures promised to restore greatness to white America, Metzl’s systematic analysis of health data dramatically reveals they did just the opposite: these policies made life sicker, harder, and shorter in the very populations they purported to aid. Thus, white gun suicides soared, life expectancies fell, and school dropout rates rose.


    Powerful, searing, and sobering, Dying of Whiteness ultimately demonstrates just how much white America would benefit by emphasizing cooperation, rather than by chasing false promises of supremacy.
     
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  6. NewRoxFan

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    So on brand...

     
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  7. No Worries

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    What a great point they've made. This is why we have heard absolutely no criticism of Fauci. None. People simply aren't allowed to criticise him.
     
  9. ThatBoyNick

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    Which part of it? And if you're asking someone to do something, maybe don't make it sound like a demand. It's a little rude, I don't owe you **** you know bud ;)

    On the the population having 95+% antibodies, it's a bit of an guess because I can't seem to find up to date stats on it for the US, we don't seem to be measuring it, at least to the point where it's made easily accessible to the public, but I'll tell you how I came up with that number

    This survey/study suggests we had 80% of the population in the US with antibodies by may
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    That data is prior to both delta and omicron waves, you can imagine a much larger number of Americans have been infected with covid since. I wasn't making the claim for just the US though, I think it's safe to assume that most western countries (save NZ) have really high levels of combined vaccination/prior infections (thus, antibodies). The UK reports that 98% of their adult population have antibodies (also high in children)
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    Prior infection and vaccination have been shown to be very effective in preventing severe disease and death so far. link

    And then, I don't really have a study that comes to mind about half ass lockdowns being a solution to omicron, I'm sure somethings out there, but that's more was a personal judgment, but I mean, look at how transmissible this thing is, look at all the countries around the world with record-high cases and positivity rates.

    I think that was an attempt to answer where I was coming from, Deck, hope you are satisfied. Happy Monday morning btw.
     
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  10. Os Trigonum

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    lol. can't believe you're being so disrespectful to one of the elder statesmen on the forum.
     
  11. ThatBoyNick

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    I still want a piece of your ass in the beef zone over that economic professor "meta study"
     
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    I like this other response too.
     
  13. Os Trigonum

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    hey, if you can't trust Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, who can you trust
     
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  14. rocketsjudoka

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    Somehow I'm not surprised..
     
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    John Hopkins department of economics*
     
  16. Amiga

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    You make too much common sense. But look, we know that the process can't just rely on the old common sense thing. We got to have a control group if data is worth anything. New Zealand and Australia went so hard and haven't let up much, there is not a control group. Elimination.
     
  17. Os Trigonum

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    sort of . . . but I do stand corrected ;)

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  18. ThatBoyNick

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    I particularly like this part of their site

    Global health eh
     
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  19. Os Trigonum

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    you should be thankful it's just him

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