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  1. NewRoxFan

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    Long involved argument with the obvious intent to call Biden a racist.

    I think the supreme court, like all groups, benefit from diversity. The supreme court for many years has had no diversity. Taking steps to make the court more diverse should be applauded. It was when Reagan announced O'Connor. And it should be again when Biden announces Jackson.

    And as a Native American, I hope a future president announces a Native American.
     
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    NOT RACE

    NOT GENDER

    NOT PREJUDICE
     
  3. droxford

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    Shoe fits.

    I applaud the opening of opportunity to SC seats to ALL qualified people, not excluding people based on race or gender.

    I hope future presidents (and I wish the current president) would NOT exclude Native Americans from consideration.
     
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    So you don’t have any basis of the most qualified person is not a black woman. In other words it’s not about qualifications but that you don’t agree with Biden’s process.
     
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    We should all hold our SC justices to this high standard.
     
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    The point is that gender and race should NOT be included and certainly shouldn't be used openly to exclude candidates. It's really just that simple.
     
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    To answer my own qualifications question. I don’t have solid information about who is the most qualified person out there and I doubt any of us does. Biden though isn’t likely to pick any black woman, he’s not going to name Whoopi Goldberg or Serena Williams. In fact there have been. Few names already floated out there. From what I’ve seen they appear to be very qualified for the USSC.

    Contrary to the argument that Biden is limiting himself form the most qualified pool of possible nominees it appears that he’s already found a qualified pool that also meet the requirement of being black women.

    If we accept the counter argument that by stating that he is only going to name black woman he’s not going to get the qualified candidate then we should hear what other candidates are out there who are more qualified than the black women already under consideration. Without proof that Biden is actually limiting himself that argument is pure speculation.
     
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    Trump had 3 opportunities to pick Judge Martinez, so he must not exist.
     
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    I agree - I'm not qualified to know all of the the job requirements for SCOTUS, but I CAN tell you that candidates should not be excluded because of race or gender.

    I'm not saying "no black woman is qualified". I'm saying he shouldn't exclude candidates based on race or gender.
     
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    Correct - he doesn't exist (that I know of). Just used it as an example.
     
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    Can you name a single person in history that didn't apply their own life experiences to their decisions (legal or otherwise)? It's literally impossible to do .
     
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    Re-read my statement, because your response is not the same as what I said. Judges (and, honestly, MANY professional managers) use their professional experience in their decision-making. Also, judges and good managers do not allow personal bias to affect their decision making. And they do not allow their own ethnicity, gender, or culture to interfere with their professional decisions.

    I can list several managers that I've worked with over the past 10 years that were like that, and they're not even close to being at the elite level of a SC Justice.
     
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    Sorry - to simplify, can you name a single judge in US history who is unbiased and qualified by your standards?

    The whole idea of being a judge is making decisions that are not black and white, especially on things that get to the USSC level - they get there because the law is not crystal clear. And people's professional experience is shaped by their underlying personal life experiences. Even the idea that one's personal experiences shouldn't influence their judicial thinking is a result of one's personal life experiences.
     
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    There's never been an Asian or Native American justice. Why were they discriminated against by Biden?
     
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    By limiting himself to black women (or any specific race/gender), Biden is unlikely to pick the person best qualified for the job.

    Racial discrimination in hiring is illegal in most cases and immoral in all cases.
     
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    Why were they discriminated against by Trump?
     
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    did Trump say he wouldn't consider Asians or Native Americans?
     
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    Did Trump even consider a candidate who was not white?
     

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