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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Jan 26, 2022.

  1. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Are you saying that Biden should have just picked a very qualified black woman without announcing it prior to nomination?
     
  2. Commodore

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    statistically, what are the odds that the best candidate for the job is a black woman?
     
  3. NewRoxFan

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    Hmm... using statistical odds to justify discrimination... why am I not shocked?
     
  4. droxford

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    Our president (current or future) should nominate the best candidate regardless of the candidate’s skin color, religion, gender, or culture. If they are a black woman, so be it. If they are a gay Asian male, so be it. If they are a straight white make, so be it. To exclude a candid from consideration because of skin color or gender is a open demonstration of prejudice.
     
  5. KingCheetah

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    About 6.5%.
     
  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Right, but said or unsaid, white men were the only ones under consideration for decades. Highly qualified candidates have historically been excluded from consideration based on the fact they weren't white men dozens of times.
     
  7. Commodore

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    the opposite

    statistically if you discriminate by a particular race/gender, you are unlikely to get the best candidate

    unless of course, a particular race/gender is what makes them best
     
  8. droxford

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    Can Sotomayor not understand how the law applies to white men? If she can’t she shouldn't be a SC Justice. If you were to ask her, “Should you, an SC Justice, be able to understand how the law applies to white men…to ALL Americans equally and without bias?”…what would she say?

    I would say that it would have been wrong to openly (or privately) exclude non-whites and females from writing, ruling on, and voting on the laws.

    And it is equally wrong to exclude candidates today based on skin color or gender.

    WE CANNOT FIGHT RACISM AND PREJUDICE WITH MORE RACISM AND PREJUDICE.
     
  9. NewRoxFan

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    That same justification for discrimination has been used to allow employment discrimination, housing discrimination, educational discrimination, etc for many years. Again, not surprised you continue it here.
     
  10. NewRoxFan

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  11. droxford

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    Dozen's of times? Please list ONE TIME that a president announced that they would only consider white men?

    NewRoxFan said that "In the past 223 years there have been 115 supreme court justices. And of those 115, 108 have been white men."
    Although I haven't looked it up, I bet that's accurate (or pretty accurate). Historically, women didn't go to college and didn't build careers like men. And historically, our population was more white and less black than it is today. And historically, blacks (and women) were oppressed.

    Definitely, racism has had a big impact on the numbers that NewRoxFan presented.

    BUT that doesn't justify using racism today. We cannot change history. We can learn from it and NOT use skin color or gender to select a SC justice. ...
    ... and yet that is exactly what our current president is doing.
     
  12. NewRoxFan

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    Apologies for bring up your past post...

    Let's ask Supreme Court Justice Sotomeyer...

    https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-la...-lack-of-professional-diversity-on-high-court
     
  13. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Did you miss the part where I wrote "said or UNSAID"? Clearly, dozens of times in the history of the Supreme Court only white men were considered.
     
  14. droxford

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    I had completely forgotten about that thread, and had to re-read it. It helped me to stop using a term that was offensive (though I never meant to be). A good learning experience for me.

    Those quotes are TERRIBLE and that should NEVER be the perspective of a SC judge. The words in bold above are not necessarily her words and I don't like to take pieces of statements from a news article; I'd prefer to hear all of what she said, directly from her. I'm trying to find a video of her statements at NYU... if you know a link, please post.
     
  15. droxford

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    Yup - I missed that. Sorry.

    I agree - historically, prejudice (against skin color and gender) certainly had an impact on the nominations (even if it wasn't openly stated). It was wrong to do so then....

    ....and it's wrong to do so now.
     
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    He promised a black nominee during his campaign.

    Should've paid attention like you do with the bronzed calf of madness.
     
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    But that isn't how reality works.

    There never is a singular best human for the job. There isn't One human who would be "best" at being president. It's just a pool of people who are qualified.


    So when you are outraged that Biden wants to chose a Black Supreme Court Justice because this country never has had one and would do a lot for young black girls in terms of seeing possibilities open up, you are saying there isn't a single black woman in existence who can carry out the job of a supreme court justice with excellence.
     
  18. droxford

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    That is not at all what I’m saying. I am not at all opposed to having a SC judge who is black, white, brown, purple…male, female…whatever. I am entirely for the INCLUSION of all of the best candidates for SC judge, and I adamantly oppose the exclusion of candidates for consideration based on their race or gender. It’s openly racist and sexist.
     
  19. fchowd0311

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    I agree. Hence why a black woman supreme court justice would be great as there never has been one in 200+ years of this country's existence and I'm sure as you aren't racist, that means many black qualified women never got that role. So it's time.
     
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    I will however say that the Biden administration didn't have to explicitly state they are specifically looking for a Black woman candidate. They should have just found a qualified one and announced her as their candidate.
     

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