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High School Students Should be Taught Philosophy

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Jan 26, 2022.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    It's more than just that. This goes back to my second point. We have so much information that it's very easy to find counter points to any position. The problem is that doesn't mean that just because you find a counter point to a prevailing position that is anymore correct yet we frequently see a certain position pushed because it goes against the prevailing / consensus position.

    ie. "THIS IS WHAT THE SCIENTISTS / DOCTORS / MSM DON'T WHAT YOU TO KNOW!"

    We should have skepticism and we should question the science. A consensus viewpoint shouldn't be accepted just because it is a consensus viewpoint. Neither should a minority viewpoint be accepted just because it is a minority viewpoint. This is the problem with so many people claiming "They are doing their own research" usually it means that they are finding information that is out of the mainstream but in most cases they aren't looking at that critically. If anything like in the case of Aaron Rodgers they are instead looking at such material to confirm their own biases.
     
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    I did take philosophy in high school. But it was a private school. I can imagine the blowback the school districts would get when some Trumper's son comes home talking about Platonic Forms. Never mind if they come home and tell their parents they should trust the science.

    But my high school class did not do philosophy of science that I recall. I took a course in college called that, but we read science fiction novels. :p
     
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    Nope.

    Maybe in some AP classes, but it would just be confusing and unnecessary for other student levels.
     
  4. rocketsjudoka

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    I have no doubt it won't be easy and if I remember correctly you're a teacher so will defer to you about how difficult it might be to teach such subjects. The problem though we're seeing is that ignorance of how science works is causing much of the division and difficulty that we're seeing today. As we get more dependent on technology and face longterm complex crisis this will only get worse.
     
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    It's willful ignorance, all of these people who deny science were taught better in school and many have college degrees, teaching philosophy in HS is not going to change that and will muddy the waters even more IMO.

    It's much easier to argue against a philosophy than a fact.

    Something along the lines of critical thinking might be good, but I don't know how that would work.
     
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    Philo generally starts with the principles of logic and a historical overview of that particular era. It allows one to cover debate, law, or a general fundamental understanding of how to parse complex information.

    Definitely will fly over the heads of 30-50% of students out there, but it's potentially one of the courses that makes a big difference for those who aren't great at math or science.

    History and art are fluffy classes that students generally don't care about.

    Heck, I took 3 AP history classes and didn't think it was that great compared to taking electives in college. Our shitty state of racial affairs reflects how little we're taught in HS anyways...
     
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    Yes there are many who are willfully ignorant. There are many who know better who just push misleading narratives for their own gain. Those people wouldn't have so much traction if there wasn't so many without the basic understanding of things like science and critical reasoning.

    Also I consider critical thinking as part of philosophy.

    In regard to it being easier to argue against a philosophy than a fact I don't think that's as true anymore. What we've been seeing a lot of confirmation bias and flat out resistance to facts. In many ways the more facts you give someone the more they entrench because they've already committed to a way of thinking.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    HS is too easy now.

    DD
     
  9. T_Man

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    Yep...

    There is no such thing as homework...

    No they don't teach anything outside of that Stupid Standardized Test..

    I have had 4 kids and I swear each year it gets easier and easier...

    If a kid fails in a class, then he really really really has to be screwing up or not even attending that class...

    If you fail a test you get a second attempt (WHA THA HELL)...

    So yeah DD you are correct..

    T_Man
     
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    on the other end of the spectrum,

    in SE Asian countries, where (in some places) school is 6 days a week, you hear of middle school / high schools kids pulling all-nighters studying for exams;
    sadly a few committing suicide for not getting the A they were expecting
     
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    Keep teaching them brother
     

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