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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    Meanwhile the Russians are planning naval wargames off the south coast of Ireland. Irish Fisherman plan to oppose them.
    I can't wait to hear the songs that will come out of this.
     
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  3. dmoneybangbang

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    Trump convinced you and yours that Putin is a swell guy. It's amusing watching the right wing opinion change on Putin, I think y'all admire him and his governing style.

    I bet Putin loves bitcoin too! What drug dealer or autocrat wouldn't!
     
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    There doesn't really need to be a tactic to convince anyone. We all know that Trumpers and FoxNews watchers are sympathetic to the plight of Putin and the other Autocrats across the globe that lead countries that you'd like to see America aspire to be more like. I mean Tucker Carlson hosts his show from Hungary now in order to stargaze at and prop up Victor Orban. He wouldn't be doing that if he thought people like you weren't highly approving.

    Putin fanatic??... maybe not that heavy a term, but nobody has to be convinced that you do not see Putin as an ally and a figure you aspire the politicians you vote for to govern like in a country with a structure similar to Russia or Hungary.
     
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    If I thought Putin was a swell guy, I would say so. Going to war with him to protect the territorial integrity of a kleptocracy like Ukraine? How is that in our interest?

    Autocrats like to print money to fund their power grabs. You can't do that with bitcoin.

    Drug dealers like anonymous transactions. Bitcoin transactions are published permanently on a public ledger.
     
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    Kremlin's Obsession w Bitcoin and Other Cryptocurrencies



    As recently as 2016, before being sanctioned by the US, Putin and his people had threatened to jail bitcoin users. Now, they can’t get enough of the digital money.

    Putin and his oligarch lackeys just woke up to the vast array of possibilities that cryptocurrencies could offer in the service of money laundering,
    to move their ill-gotten $$ away from US financial infrastructures.

    the Magnitsky Act, which established strict US sanctions on named Russian citizens has prompted Putin and his oligarchs to look for more effective ways
    to move their colossal amount of ill-gotten Russian cash being “held hostage" by the US financial infrastructures.

    cryptocurrency has evolved to be their preferred means of laundering $.

    Cryptocurrency transactions are anonymous, don’t respect national borders, and are now nearly instantaneous. In theory, at least, it’s the holy grail of money laundering.
     
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    That make sense since Bitcoin by nature isn't meant to be government controlled it can be probably be used easily to evade sanctions.
     
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    I think this meme exemplifies the bigotry of conservativism when you frame poor people migrating as equivalent to an invasion with armored vehicles and weapons from an organized standing army from a foreign nation.

    But this is nothing new. Conservativism and fascists have always framed immigration as an "invasion". This is just one of millions of examples.

    Thanks for providing an example of the insight of how the conservative brain works.
     
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    Kinda impressed by Biden and the job he is doing handling the Ukraine crisis so far.

    Seems very proactive in trying to cooperate with europe on military and sanction response.

    And with businesses on the potential economic collateral damage.

    With Ukraine on appearing supporting and yet doing a good balancing act in not overreaching and dissing Russians too much.

    And most importantly he is keeping it in the news cycle and keeping the diplomatic dialogue open and progressing and thereby helping Putin (who finds it very important to seem like a big player on world arena and be interesting and hold public together with the world players on their toes) keep face.

    I think he is in fact using some reverse psychology on the Putin guy by keeping insisting that the Russian attack is "imminent" and asking Ukraine to be ready for the sacking of Kiev. I mean if the Putin guy likes to be interesting but doesn't really enjoy conflict too much, then predicting his action to be a strong military incursion can potentially dissuade him from actually going through with it.

    Maybe I'm just being hopeful, but I hope they keep this up and figure out a way to prevent a disaster.
     
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    It's kinda ironic that China is asking Russians to postpone their invasion due to Olympics instead of conspiring to attack together, although they could still do it after Olympics, of course..
     
  13. rocketsjudoka

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    The PRC isn't going to invade Taiwan anytime soon and certainly not during the Olympics. That would be a PR disaster ontop of being a strategic blunder.

    Taiwan has very good reason to be concerned but the PRC is still a ways from being able to take Taiwan militarily. Note they don't want to destroy Taiwan but want to have a functioning Taiwan under PRC control. Also at the moment the PRC has bigger problems they are dealing with, handling COVID and the economy, that to invade Taiwan.

    For the Olympics the PRC and Xi Jinping want to put on a big show and get the message out that things are going great. They don't want any distractions both internally or externally to take from that.
     
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    I see an adam Sandler romcom in the making .

    Adam plays the role of seamus odoul fisherman from limerick that takes on the russian navy
     
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    This is getting serious. I can't believe the Russians would risk everything on the Ukraine.
     
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    How much of this is 'russia' vs the whims of some power hungry pos like putin?
     
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    Or it could be an action piece with Liam Neeson, as a skipper of a boat from Donegal with his crew of Rory McCann (the Hound from GOT), Colm Meany, and they rookie of the crew Jack Gleeson (Joffrey from GOT). Liam's wife, played by Michelle Fairley (Catelyn Stark from GOT) doesn't want him to go out and face the Russians but when the evil Russian Admiral takes Liam's cod banks this is one fisherman with a special set of skills...
     
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  19. Amiga

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    maybe Putin gone insane
     
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    Yeap, agree.

    Both China and Putin-Russia have this ideology of my land. But that's about the only thing in common. Taiwan is a standalone island that is a very successful democracy that operates as a major non-NATO ally. As long as that balance is maintained, nothing is going to happen. And no one is going to shake that well. Ukraine is a new growing democracy that has been facing military pressure from Russia and thus has some interest in being part of NATO for protection.

    The actions of both countries under Putin and Xi are to put in a nutshell - Putin is more ideological over practical while China leadership is more practical over ideological. China has always warned others to not shake that well while Putin has already invaded and doesn't seem to care about sanctions (they pretend it is not hurting them when it is).

    Some have argued that the US needs to stand up to Putin more to "warn" China. I don't think so. Even if the US steps away completely, China isn't going to invade Taiwan. They would be destroying their economy if they go that route and China is too practical to do that.
     

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