I'm talking math and science and other subjects that have universal basics. Kids at Liberty want to be taught Liberty's politics
Exactly so why are you criticizing not learning about blacks? Your age is a factor in the discussion when talking personal experience
@T_Man I love my childhood. My parents could I have moved to a white suburb. They moved to Homestead because my dad wanted to live. among black people. You don't know me I love that I grew up off Homestead My sister went to Forest Brook but she got a scholarship from an organization called A Better Chance and went to St John's arguably the best school in Houston. My sister is eight years older and NFISD declined a lot in those eight years whether you can admit it or not
See PG... I get that and yes I do agree that NFISD did decline... I never ever stated it didn't... I have no problem with you stating that you wish you could have grew up in a white suburb, I live in one now and to be honest.... My kids have the opposite affect and at the end of the day I have to remind them that they are still BLACK... No matter how successful you are or how much money you make, a lot of people still see you by the color of your skin... So when you talk down on something when you don't know the entire history, then yeah you poked the bear... So as I was trying to help you with History, you still wanted to act as if NFISD was bad from the start... NFISD taught me more about Black History and the Black culture than others will ever know, so yeah I embrace that and i'm proud of that... Along with the fact that i'm proud of how many successful people have come from the North side of town no matter what the obstacles were... And I have gone back to help other youngsters make it out also... Some with college other with military... So when you talk down about Black people like you do and some of the things that you're stating are not even close to what they truly are it's saddening... I was just reading how BoBrek was trying to educate you and you were trying to act as if what he was stating didn't exist and the funny thing is.. You're trying to make a point that he knew nothing about the 60's... hell you weren't even alive in the 60's... The thing it doesn't matter what you're culture is try and educate yourself by learning from others.. Especially those who have been there or lived thru it.. T_Man
I'm honest about black people because honesty has to happen to improve. @Rocket River often talks about how I ve changed from when I started posting here 20 years ago. When discussing black issues I wasn't honest out of pride. Black people who are educated and need to let their pride go when discussing blacks caught in cyclical poverty. When discussing crime and education problems we need to start talking about homes. Apparently you came from a good home. That's a big factor in your success
How do you create "good homes"? Through the magical power of public service announcements about black people being better parents? Are we going to PSA our way to systemic change? That's the issue here. You are treating symptoms as the root problem rather than acknowledgijg them as symptoms of a root problem. Family home issues in poor black communities is a symptom, a symptom of this: https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/fiscal-fact/median-value-wealth-race-ff03112019
Your post was claiming that we all know how hard black people had it. If you don't know that were such things as large scale massacres of black communities after slavery, do people really know how hard things are? For me the only thing I knew in high school history about Chinese in America was that they worked the railroads and then nothing until my parents generation arrived in the 1960's. Why are there lingering consequences and if you don't know specifics how do you even know why there is an overall outcome? For example if we teach that WWII was fought between Allies and Axis and the Allies won without knowing about things like the Holocaust, the Blitzkrieg, the Battle of Britian, Pearl Harbor, Battle of Stalingrad, D-Day, Fall of Berlin and the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki how would we understand WWII, who the combatants where and how it unfolded? How many specifics can we just leave out without losing key understanding?
See this is wrong in so many many ways... The only thing that you're being honest about is that you help black people... As I stated before I don't know if you're black or not... But just IMO from reading what you have posted in this thread and others, it sounds as if you're not... It sounds as if in some ways you resent your dad moving to the North side of town and now that resent has turned into anger... That is just my opinion and observation, I could be totally wrong... But what all blacks need to do is help one another... Like I stated I made it and I would go back to H-Town to help others make it... feel proud when I see some of the youngsters that have made something out of themselves and now have families and a career... So for your statement above I am VERY VERY VERY PROUD of my culture... But every culture has good and bad... Hell I know some whites who hate the KKK.. But I don't hear them downing the entire culture.. What you call honesty is not honesty but hate... Honesty is owning up that you have some guys in the neighborhood that didn't want to do good.. Honesty is saying you stood in line for Gov cheese.. Honesty is looking at how many people who are doing good then those who are doing bad... Honesty is owning up to the truth on good and bad... Dude i'm sad for you because you bring no hope, you bring no collaboration, you bring no suggestions on how to make a bad situation good... Now back on topic with CRT stuff... Too me the CRT is another form of politics.. The one thing that Trump got right was when he stated the Democrats don't care about Blacks.. I hate to say it... but it's true.. But at the end of the day we have to pick the lesser evil.... CRT is the same way in some ways... People are basically arguing about what should be taught and the plain fact is, neither process is going to teach the entire truth.. T_Man
As a history nerd with too much time on my hand my eyes are about roll out of my head over the last two pages. First Egyptian culture existed far earlier than Greek or Roman culture. The Homeric Greeks of the Trojan War and the Classical Greeks of the times of Socrates were heavily influenced by the Egyptians. Egyptian culture had already existing for almost 2,000 years by the time of the Trojan War. That said it was not a direct influence and the Greek / Hellenistic culture isn't a descendent or a sequel of Egyptian culture. In addition to Egypt there were older cultures in Mesopotamia and Asia Minor that the Greeks also learned from. Minoan culture also was at least a 1,000 years old by the time of Socrates. The Romans were heavily influenced by both Greece and Egypt as Egypt was in it's last Dynasty when Rome became an empire. The Romans adopted a lot of Greek culture including many of the Greek myths, architecture, and language. A lot of this was because when Rome rose the Hellenistic Greeks culturally dominated the Mediterranean. The Romans though had culture from other groups like the Etruscans and Phoenicians. That the Roman Empire preserved Greek culture and also imposed their own culture on much of Europe for 2,000 years is why later periods such as the Renaissance and Enlightenment ended up reviving those cultures. Also that early Christian writings were largely preserved and widely distributed in Latin and Greek was more reason why Christian dominated Europe revived those cultures. Here's the part that really makes me roll my eyes. Having gone to school in the US which largely inherited our cultural traditions from Europe and Britain in particular very little history of the Asia or other parts of the world was taught before Columbus. That doesn't mean that Asian or African history has no bearing on Europe or how our culture came about. While through much of history contacts between Europe and Eastern and Southern Asia weren't widely known they did exist and there was knowledge and even indirect trade between Rome and the Han Dynasty of the China. The knowledge wasn't good but even 2,000 years ago there was a Silk Road that had trade between what was then the two superpowers of the time. Prior to then Alexander the Great had conquered all the way into India and there was an exchange of both goods and ideas across both, early depictions of the Buddha are very similar to Hellenistic Greek sculptures. Concepts such as Zero, mind body duality were more present in ancient India than they were in Greece but ended up becoming very important in Western philosophy and mathematics. I've read some philosophical studies that point out how the concepts of idealized forms that underpin Plato and Christian thought might've originated from Indian Vedic ideas that got to Europe through Persia. The Middle East and North Africa have even more influence on European history as Egypt, Mesopotamia are from those regions but so was the Persian Empire and the later Islamic Empires. The Caliphs of Baghdad, the Moors and the Ottomans traded and even conquered parts of Europe. As such a lot of our mathematics, astronomy and even language comes from them. That is why we use Arabic numbers instead of Roman or Greek numbers and the word "Algebra" comes from Arabic. So it's a not just an incomplete and limited history that many Americans learn it also does have a bearing on our world view. That is one reason why there is a lot of cross cultural misunderstanding that colors how we deal with those regions even today. It's why so much of our rhetoric and conflicts get portrayed as a clash of civilizations between a Judeo-Christian west versus Islam or inherently different Asian civilizations when from early on these cultures were already influencing each other.
Ok you went a whole helluva lot deeper than I did... People also underestimate how powerful the Han Dynasty really was... Also I would like to call the Romans as the first melting pot and not America... Lots of different cultures living together... Thanks RJ, T_Man
You don't need wealth to make sure your kids take school seriously. The government already put a school there. It already pays for housing for poor families. It already feeds poor families with food stamps. The family has to bear some ownership in it's progress. The government can't back in time and change how we got to this point in your link
I wouldn't give a **** about who you think I really am so if you want to keep posting that whatever. Tired of responding to it I am suggesting something for improvement, start addressing all issues that contribute to cyclical poverty. There is only so much the government can do
Teaching about the reason for the condition of blacks in details isn't the responsibility of grade school education
Thought experiment. Predict how many kids out of 10 born and raised in a upper middle class suburb will be charged at least once for a felony crime. Now out of 10 kids born and raised in a poor urban neighborhood, how many you predict will eventually have a felony charge on them? I don't know if you are trolling. If you are, here is a hint. Don't make such blatantly stupid statements where one has to invoke Poe's law. Your statement above is essentially saying that the wealth you are raised in as a child has absolutely 0 effect on outcomes as an adult. No one believes this, including you. Just a suggestion. Don't be so blatant about it.
So we should just raise your taxes and make up for the wealth gap? The government can afford more debt? We have safety nets.
Do you believe people have any sort of agency, or are they are deterministic decision engines that operate entirely based on material conditions? You know who ends up with felony charges? People who commit felonies. You know whose fault it is that a person commits a felony? The person who committed the felony. Cops and DAs are not grabbing random people off the street in poor neighborhoods and charging them with felonies, they are arresting and charging people that have robbed a convenience store or carjacked a driver or sold a bunch of drugs. The most important factor in how your life turns out is what you choose to do.
