Early in his career he was inefficient offense and terrible defense.....but people went with the "he's only 19" defense, so they gave it another year, and he gave them more inefficient offense and terrible defense, so they went with the "he's only 20" defense.....so they gave it another year, and he gave them more inefficient offense and terrible defense.... This pattern continued till they gave up on him at 24, now at 26 as a role player on the Warriors, he's having his first season of efficient offense ever and his defense isn't a complete abomination. It took turning him into a corner 3 point specialist and role player to make him decent. I could absolutely see Green having a similar trajectory. If Sengun and KPJ continue to develop, and the Rockets pick a franchise caliber palyer in the next draft, that'll be fine.....but those pinning hopes on Jalen Green being some kind of franchise saving player IMO are setting themselves up for failure. There's very little chance that happens. It would be awesome, but it's just so very unlikely.
I just hope it is not reminiscent of when this site was divided over drafting Robert Horry over Harold Minor. So many wanted explosive athleticism over skilled length. Baby Jordan was the wrong choice, as we all now know.
If we're going to play the speculate game then we can play. This is a guards league anyway. Mobley is nothing like KG man geez louise. I thought he was a "guard oriented" big with awesome handles and all that jazz? Looks like he excels when the attention is on the other players - good for him. Do you think Evan Mobley is who opposing teams are worried about? I know how high you are on the guy its admirable and Im sure you'll get some enjoyment from watching his career evolve. If the winner is who gets to pound their chest after 40 games in season 1 then my guy you win. Lets see who stands where in a few years. Im not watching the Cavs dump the ball down into Mobley and ask him to go get buckets. He's a clean up man right now, but he's good at his role. Its just too hard for guys who need instant gratification to try to envision a Jalen Green finished product.
Wiggins problem was shot selection, he never had a TS% higher than 54% in his entire career. He came in shooting inefficient long twos, sucked at 3's and couldn't get to the line consistently. Pretty much doing exactly what a wing should not do. Jalen actually has theoretically the best shot selection to be efficient, he tries to score either on drivers, 3 point line, and free throws. His issue is that he's not making these shots at a NBA level. People was never able to point out why Wiggins never improved, because he had an NBA body, NBA athleticism. It's the decision making part that has always been mediocre to bad.
Jalen Green WAS the instant gratification pick REMEMBER??? And there are zero opposing teams who worry or focus on Jalen Green, that was an inane point to emphasize. And my point was that Mobley was closer to KG than Green was to Kobe, right NOW for sure and likely EVER.
I know you've scurried away from your laughable stance on this issue but when a well known NBA analyst like Sam Vecenie can admit he was wrong then you can too. Vecenie describes Mobley as the "connective tissue" regarding Cavs success this season. And even a douchebag like Bill Simmons can wax poetic over a player not wearing Celtic green. Rockets could very easily be enjoying the same innovative success by the Cavs by keeping JA instead of moving him to Cleveland and drafting Mobley. Wall/KPJ EGo/Tate Mobley/KJ Wood JA
Bosh was good defensively for the Heat, just have to look at the playoff games. But sure, he wasn't known for his D in Toronto.
I do like Green, just think he should have been picked around 8-12.... No, I have NOT. I liked Mobley for the draft but when we took him I was hopeful, then once we saw where he was at, it was ugh, ok, gonna be a few years....... Before the draft I knew nothing of anyone - but I always prefer HEIGHT and BBALL IQ over speed and athleticism... DD
Not sure if this is some jab at me because I said I am a Green supporter, but I've been a die hard fan for 30+ years and believe developing Green is what's best for the Rockets future, even at the expense of a few meaningless wins
Unless he is totally useless, he is a solid 5th pick to 6th because he got some talent. The point was SGs are not that hard to find.
no, not at all. actually not a jab at anyone. Just saying, with regard to bitterness, that a fan of a team getting pissy at a player who's causing losses is the oldest thing in fandom.
Agreed. He can be a defensive anchor that can develop into a go to scorer as well. So far, he doesn't anywhere close to the offensive package Toronto Bosh did, but he certainly has a feel for the game, soft touch, and shoot-over-you ability. He can develop the moves he needs to become a 25 PPG scorer all while being a defensive mismatch at all times. Cleveland got themselves a good one
Honestly, we really should end this Mobley talk, it's depressing and off topic. Green is the guy we went with for better or worse, and we need to just hope that he turns into a basketball player within a few years.
Jalen was the pick because Mobley shunned Houston and plenty of reports stated he and his father wanted nothing to do with this owner and team. Draft him anyway and watch him walk after the rookie contract? You think he would have flourished the same way HERE? Hard to see that. Im not even trying to compare Green to Mobley though - thats not apples to apples to begin with. I am stating my opinion that Mobley is not a catalyst for a winning team. He is a good oop man and clean up guy. He's a 7 foot finesse player with some modern quirks to his game. He is not the player who is touching the ball first on his team or the guy whom the offense is designed around. He is blessed to be sandwiched among some good talent and in particular guys who can distribute the ball and keep the team on time. KG was an offensive MONSTER to go along with similar defensive traits that Mobley shares with him. Even then it took KG a few years to reach those heights and here we are just throwing around comps for youngsters as if they deserve them - both for Green and Mobley. Go ahead and enjoy your moment my dude - like I said this isnt a sprint. I'll be here in a few years either way when both of these guys have reached their final forms and kick it around. You will always be in my graces so I'll reserve the most petulant of responses for those guys who couldnt keep it purely basketball and invented reasons that ROX fans should dislike Green. No doubt about it Green is not thriving and has a long way to go - further than Mobley currently, but Green is expected to do more for his team than Mobley is.
Relax, you changed your tune when he changed his shot with Lucas and he had those games where he shot 40 ish percent on the 3s but most of us came around a little bit. DD Jinx TM works too well.
You are one of my favorite posters too. But just watch the vids I posted. KG was not an offensive monster early in career either or focal point of the TWolves offense. KG did not average +20 PPG or double digit rebounds until his FOURTH season. KG first season he averaged 10 and 6. Mobley is averaging 15 and 8 with almost twice as many assists and blocks. Not bad for a garbage man.
