Not me, I knew that Green lacked the strength and defense from the get go. He may be one dimensional but his 1 dimension has the potential to be elite. But it will take years for him to build his body up. Remember, Lavine took 5 seasons to become an All Star level player. Same with Beal. So all those people who thought he would make an immediate positive impact in his FIRST season were just blind or ignorant.
What? These kids start getting judged starting when they are 14 years old, how do you think they got drafted in the first place. So now that he’s got a guaranteed contract we should all of a sudden stop judging? No one said going 0-11 means he will average 0% the rest of his career, that’s not what judging means, but having historically bad games as a rookie certainly doesn’t bode well.
For anyone who was happy to spend a #2 pick on him should be expecting more. You and I may have expected this but then again that’s also why we never wanted to take him at #2.
Well, I never wanted Green in the first place......as I have said all along he and KPJ are the same player, or similar - and we need height, Mobley was the proper pick. Now, instead of a uniquely skilled player who gives us an advantage almost every single game, we have another SG who may or may not develop into an all star player...... That, IMHO, is very poor drafting. DD
Season is not over yet. I posted how Anthony Edwards went 37 games before getting it. You always post negative things while covering your #$$ by saying, "I'm not saying he (Jalen Green) won't be good" Always trying to have it both ways. ------------------- I'll talk later
The hype for Green was pretty bad around here before the draft. Yes, many posters talked about him with comparisons to MJ, Kobe, Lavine, etc. Any differing opinions were met with hostility and defensiveness. Green was lackluster out of the gate. Lots of "it's just 10 games" replies. We're at 32 games now and the refrain is "wait till the end of the season." But it's gotten worse than that, now it's "you can't really tell what he will be until after his 3rd year." What the hell does that mean? Does that mean I can't tell how good Jordan was until his 3rd year? Hakeem? Sengun? There are many other 19 year old rookies and they are outplaying Green consistently. But for Green we have to wait to see how will be because he's only 19. Ok. But it's not Green's fault he's playing this poorly!!! It's that he's only 19! It's Silas' fault! It's Porter's fault! It's Green was the second pick and many hailed him as an almost lock to be a perennial allstar. They still do! In his 11 games in January he has a 47.2 TS%. He will get better and he's not a bust. But the idea that he will OBVIOUSLY become a Lavine or a Beal is laughable to me. It's as though there is NO DOUBT AT ALL that he will make it to that level. Why do people believe this? He has athleticism, a great first step, and is a real streaky shooter. There is a bit of mythos about how his legendary work ethic will boost him to stardom. Don't get me started on ideas like "he could be a facilitator on the team" or "he could really become a good defender because he's so quick." Those two ideas are the worst of all of the Green overhype. He will have to fight and claw to become a slightly below average defender. That's probably his ceiling. Green has at times shown the ability to pass but then his turnovers negate them. He doesn't have the handles to run the offense or the basketball knowledge. Green's impact on winning has been great this season for opposing teams. For the Rockets? Not so much. That could change over time but I'm not going to assume that it will improve just because I want it to improve. And that's the key for Green (and the other rookies in the NBA): it's about how they impact their team winning basketball games. It's not about just scoring a ton of points or shooting the ball well, it's about winning. Green has to prove that he helps the Rockets win games.
I don't typically say ridiculous things, I avoid extremes... especially when it comes to predictions, that's why most of my statements will be nuanced. Claiming definitively that Jalen Green is either a future superstar or bust based on what we know now would be ridiculous.
Why anyone converses with you at all baffles me. To criticize is the easiest thing in the world to do. You offer nothing but sourpuss regurgitated garbage This is why I refer to you as BobbythenotsoGreat Anthony Edwards was 15.2 points per game after 37 games his rookie season Jalen Green is around 14.4 points per game after 32 games this rookie season
Already backtracking and downplaying what you said I see. Just FYI, if Green turns it around, I'm going to bump your post from now until forever. And not because you spewed some "Jalen is a bust" nonsense like a teenager with a hot takes NBA twitter page -- there are plenty on this forum who do that. It's because you had the audacity to say those who aren't overreacting like you are not "true" fans.
His January TS% has been hit hard by his last couple of bad games. His overall TS% is .506 -- this obviously isn't great, but it's higher than Cade Cunningham's, who everyone on this board lauds. And for all the talk about how Cade does more to "help his team win," the Pistons are worse than us. But hey, our failings are Green's fault and the Piston's failings are not on Cade, right?
I truly, truly, from the bottom of my heart, hope that you will get a chance to bump and rub all my posts about Green in my face. I’ll happily take the humiliation. But also know that if this is just what Jalen Green is, someone who will never live up to his draft position, someone who we will always regret taking over actual franchise difference makers, you know what’s going to happen to you right? Absolutely nothing. No one will even remember this post from you, certainly I won’t.
The difference being that (1) I don't claim to know what Green will become, and (2) I didn't refer to those who agree me as "true fans."
The average #2 overall pick has less than a coin-flips chance to make an all-star team (40%). That is the absolute minimum we should expect for his career, and the bar as to whether he lives up to his draft position.
(1) maybe that’s why you happily accepted whoever the Rockets took on draft night, because you didn’t have a clue, some of us did, that’s why we are now upset (2) being a true fan doesn’t mean blindly loving every player on your favorite team, no matter how much that player is hurting the team. I was known as an Aaron Brooks hater back in the day when there was a faction on this board who wanted Lowry to start over him. That wasn’t because I had some personal beef with Brooks, it was because I wanted what was best for the team. Drafting Green was not what was best for the team, that’s why the complaints.
Wrong. I could care less about what the average outcome is because every draft has different personnel. If the best player in a draft was a role player, I don’t care what the historical probabilities are at #2 you are still not going to beat out a role player in that draft. So we can only measure the success or failure of this pick with what was available. And what was available, and universally projected at #2 before leaks from the Rockets, was Mobley. Even the Rockets own internal analytics department was all in on Mobley. So that’s who we will judge Green’s success or failure on.
I was on team Mobley much like the majority of Clutchfans, but Its unfair to Jalen to judge him based on Mobley's career. A thing he has zero control over. It is totally fair to judge Stone and Tillman for selecting him over Mobley. Tillman and Cal are arguably the worst owners in each of their respective leagues, and most people on here suspect Tillman forced the pick because he thought the flashier dunk machine would draw in fans over the unspectacular, but winning basketball reminiscent of the Harden era. I am one of those people. As for the point on a #2 pick being a success or failure based on who came after him, that's entirely based on hindsight. Nobody drafts a player at #2 expecting a role player, even in a sub-standard draft like 2016, the expectation for Ingram and Brown was to become all-stars some day. Otto Porter doesn't become a better #3 pick if he went in 2012, 2013, or 2014. The point I'm trying to make is that while its fair to judge a team's front office based on the players picked after their pick, It's unfair to judge the player for simply being picked high. Instead, he should be compared to other players drafted with his pick. Everyone here knew the Rockets made the wrong pick on draft night. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to root for Jalen regardless.
Yes that’s what I mean when I say whether the pick is successful or not, the front office and ownership is responsible for that. Any Rocket fan should root for Green. But that doesn’t mean we have to be happy about the pick, or be delusional about what Green is or may become.
So you’re calling Jaylen Green ignorant!!! He said he would win rookie of the year and make the all defensive team. Talkers always end up sucking. Never trust talkers who haven’t “walked the walk”. He has not been as good as (he) advertised and we may regret for years to come passing up on Mobley. Didn’t even give the 7 footer defensive gem a tryout…..
