Rockets open to trading John Wall for Russell Westbrook if incentivized

Yes, a psych ops master.

I hear he can even shoot that shot with his eyes closed

 

at this point, Russ could take a shot from the top of the key and it would miss like this



his misses make no sense

if I was playing pick up and 1 of my teammates was missing like Russ, I’m sorry, but I’m liable to bust out laughing

How do u attempt a bank shot and hit top of the backboard? That’s the type of miss u do when you’re trolling or just fcking around when warming up. Missing like that during the actual game when serious?

 

Lakers don't need another 5.

And stop trying to trade away Sengun.

 

I remember this being posted all over this board. Flat out laughable then and that much worse now. The window closed once that trade happened. Rockets never had a legit shot at westbrick bringing a winning impact to the team

 

If I am the Lakers and I feel WB can change for the better, you wait 2 weeks and see.

If I am the Lakers and I am convinced WB cannot change, then you do the only deal that can be made (WB for Wall).

I do wonder if what Houston wants in return (picks) is a sticking point. The protections and what not. Clearly, the Lakers have a decision to make. Not sure they care, but if they do trade WB, WB is going to be pissed. And even more so if to Houston where he wont be playing.

I don't see the downside for Houston other than possible PR problems from WB. We really don't know the Lakers take on Wall either. They may not view him as upgrade enough to send off picks.

The Lakers window is closing fast and they may do something out of desperation. If this is the case, a deal may not happen until the final hour.

 

Of course Tilman wants to trade for Westbrick again! His big dunks are exciting

 

lebron and sengun would make it work... sengun is not a five... its positionless basketball nowadays... he can play PG just like yanis and lebron...

 

I was ok with getting WB, it was worth a shot. You aint winning a ring with Harden and washed Cp3 beefing. The only issue was Morey gave up a King's ransom for WB.

 

That's was Tilly who pulled the trigger on Russ deal, he has said so himself.

Multiple times.

 

It was his final call but that has Harden's blessing obviously. Its not like Harden was on his knees begging for Cp3 to stay. If Harden was blameless Cp3 wouldnt sya they arent on talking terms after the trade happened. He said Harden wouldnt call him to wish his kid happy bday, obv there was bad blood there.

People who hated the trade: Morey (probably made up his mind to leave right then and there), MDA

People who loved the trade: Tilman, Harden

Everytime you blame Tilman for the WB you should also be blaming Harden as he was the architect of that trade and obv gave the go ahead for it Lebron style.

 

The post I quoted had you blaming Morey first.

Now you're blaming Harden WITH Tilman.

The ultimate blame is Tilman Fertitta, the buck stops with him.

 

I never blamed Morey for the trade, I blamed him for allowing OKC to screw the Rox over. It's one thing to get WB its another to give up 4 picks and 3 swaps or w/e. Obv Morey was in exit mode snd didnt care about preserving future assets anymore since he wont be around.

I dont care who you think is the ultimate blamer is point is Tilman and Harden were the Bonnie and Clyde of the WB trade. People here say Lebron made his bed when he traded for WB, but remember Jeanie Buss is the owner of the Lakers the buck stops eith her.

 

Tilly screwed the Rockets by undermining his GM who had already called off the trade and communicated the no-trade to Harden.

OKC leveraged Morey because they knew he had to make trade happen.

Per Morey, Harden was okay with the non-trade. And per Morey, Harden was trying to trade for Russ, and keep CP3.

And I could give a flying fvck about Lebron or Jeannie Buss, I don't follow the Lakers.

 

Would y'all do it? Add probably an additional pick from the Lakers. But this accomplishes several things:

• Lakers get rid of Westbrook for two productive players (EG/Harris)
• 76ers get two young guys (CWood would fit well with Embiid and THT would be another decent young player to add to the 76ers line up). Wall could maybe help them. Plus get two FRPs out of it, possible more. They also get rid of Harris, which is one of their goals with a Simmons trade.
• Houston get a PG in Simmons without giving up much and have to swallow Westbrook's contract that is expiring next year anyways.

Spoiler: Big Trade

 

Rocket River

 

need picks

Rocket River
BE GREEDY!!!!

 

I know Simmons is in a low right now, but we are technically receiving an all star, not sure we would be in a position to receive picks. Essentially Simmons is our compensation for taking on Westbrook. Lakers have to send out a pick to get rid of Westbrook and get a couple of productive players back. Seems like a fair deal to me.

 

Well, Simmons would essentially have to make us serious playoff contenders, at the very least, with that trade. The reason I say this is because by trading Gordon, Wood and Wall, you're trading our most valuable trade assets.

If Simmons doesn't work out and we're stuck with his contract and we get no picks from this particular trade, we're stuck up the creek for a while, since we really don't have anything of value to trade, in the future.

Meanwhile, the Lakers and 76ers get so much better with this trade. I don't think the Rockets do it because there should be better options out there.

 

Rockets get two overpaid players? No thanks.

And if you hate Wood for his attitude, wait till you get Simmons.

I'd much rather just swap Wall and Westbrook and get a pick from the Lakers.

 

You have to take risks in this league at some point. Despite Simmons shortcomings (attitude/lack of shot), he is still someone that plays incredibly good defense, has a hell of a good IQ to run the offense correctly, and will be a really good rebounder for us.

I'm not even a Simmons fan, but you know, there is definitely good value there and the guy is still way young. Even if his offensive game remains ****, he is still a really good player, despite the money he is making.

You are right, if he doesn't work out, it sucks, but who else are we paying past next season. Jalen/Sengun/Christopher/Garuba, if any of them work out, won't actually be making big money until 2025-2026 season! Even whatever lottery pick we win this year wouldn't be eligible for bit money until 2026-2027 season. In this hypothetical trade, Westbrook would be gone after next season, and we would only be paying Simmons.

Its a calculated risk in my opinion, and despite not being a fan of Simmons, he could bring a lot of positives to this team. Rockets are not going to be attracting any major talent any time soon, so I am definitely not worried about having Simmons being out only max contract past next season. Would be great if KPJ works out, but yeah I am not counting on that.

EG is probably at his max value this season. No sense in holding on to him longer. His shooting numbers are really good and he is playing really good defense still. CWood, could be worth more next season or maybe not, I don't know, but I don't mind shipping him out in this kind of trade. Westbrook or Wall, I really don't care who is on the roster, both expire next season so whatever.