The wolves proved that for years. They had all kinds of top draft picks, but if you don't draft the right players, those picks don't amount to much. I still see Green's potential, but I said all along that he had a really high chance of being a bust due to him being a raw athletic prospect. No one can assume that players will develop skills. If he develops them, he could be an amazing player, if he doesn't.....well, ouch. I'm hoping with the next draft we take someone a bit safer even if that means going after a less flashy player. Highlight dunks are great marketing, but they don't always lead to winning.
lol even if you draft the right players it doesnt mean anything there are millions of ways how things can go wrong from that point also you can draft the next lebron and if you play him only 10 minutes a game he wont be a game changer...you d be wondering if you have picked the right guy
I don’t see how and why this disproves the “G League”. Suggs was also supposed to be the most NBA ready too. Suggs and Mobley had the easiest SOS among the top 25 teams.
Partly, Lebron would not get 10 minutes, his PR team was already professional when 19 and in his 20s and made sure he got star treatment, Alperen is an alien in a foreign country. He might have been MVP of Turkey but who cares here.....
I was low on Cade coming out of the draft and he’s proven me wrong, you can tell people in here don’t watch other teams if they think Green will be better just because of shooting %s. Cade is a far better defender, far better facilitator, you can actually run the offense through him, he just wasn’t hitting his shots in the beginning of the year and lately he has. He’s also a leader of his team out there. Basically, when shots aren’t falling, he’s everything Green isn’t. Good for Cade for proving me wrong. Unfortunately for the Rockets Green and Mobley prove me right every night.
What people are starting to realize now when they say Jalen needs to work on this work on that is that he actually doesn’t know how to play basketball, this is what we meant when we said predraft that he didn’t have good feel for the game. Unfortunately that’s something you just can’t develop at this stage, feel for the game comes from playing from an early age, and intelligence. Jalen picked up basketball late(football first) and from the way he speaks has never exhibited exceptional intelligence to me. These are the intangibles you look for when evaluating talent, he has some physical ability, lacks size, but the lack of intangibles and feel for game is giving off strong Stromile Swift vibes.
Can you imagine Jalen Green in the NCAA? Like he probably should be lol Would be absolutely outclassing everyone.
I’m not sure tbh. The guy does not have burst, nor the deep skill bag of someone like Luka. So without burst and without the deep skills, what is the story? How do you become That Guy? I get the general competence, IQ, maturity, character, I get all that. But you know what, Malcolm Brogdon has all that. What is it that would make Cade an All-NBA type player?
One game is not indicative of Green's total performance or even potential. Still preaching patience. But he would be much more effective coming off bench playing opposing team 2nd units IMO.
Brogdon got it all together pretty late, when he was already 27 or 28. Cade should be a much better athlete than Malcolm. He chose the Pacers because he wanted nothing to do with the Bucks and the bench role which he did very well. You have to get it altogether early and be a leader.
is this a not so direct way of saying branchero, jabroni and all the other uberhyped guys arent that good as well?
I never bought into the Luka comps and was low on him. He’s better than what I thought but that doesn’t mean he’s all nba caliber, he’s much better than Green though.
The last 5 games? 10? The entire season? This is not an one game problem, the season is half over and we are still not seeing a pulse and it’s trending the wrong way. For people bringing up the Anthony Edwards comps, as if sucking it up the first half of the season is a good thing, for every Anthony Edwards there’s 100 scrubs who sucked the first half because he just sucks and kept sucking the rest of the season and the rest of their careers. I certainly hope for a Edwards like turn around in the second half, I can’t imagine how his %s could stay this low or get worse so I guess the only way to go is up, but that’s just a hope and a prayer, anyone thinking what we have seen so far is a good thing is deluding themselves. If Green doesn’t turn it around Stone needs to be fired. The Tate and KJs are nice moves to round out the roster when you are a contender, what Morey was trying to do all those years, finding diamonds in the rough when your team is capped out. But we are a rebuilding team and evaluating top tier talent is the most important job for the GM. We can’t afford to whiff on #2 picks when there are another couple of these picks coming up that will determine the next decade of this team.
I've always told the Greenies that Jalen will not make an immediate impact despite the scouting reports. The Greenies tried to convince us that Jalen would win ROY and average 20 his FIRST season. My expectations were more modest, I'm just not surprised with his struggles. His issues (adding muscle, defense, 3ball) were ALWAYS going to require multiple seasons to fix.
Stole the words right out my mouth. Actually typed it earlier but didn't hit submit. Spoiler Jalen Green experience: experience it once every ~ten games! (where then the Greenies come out to say "WhErE dA HatErS aT?!) Quickly approaching the "Wait until after the all-star break/until Eric Gordon is moved" phase but really the "It's just one year, his rookie year." phase. "You have no patience!" I'm not the one who overhyped him pre-draft/in the summer and called him most ready and the next Kobe/MJ. These are probably the same people who have since moved the goalposts and are like "Settle down! He's just 19! He was always a work in progress and needed time!" Hype hype hype hype hype...set sky high expectations Doesn't mean said hype/sky high expectations, others get upset/disappointed (Same people who did the hyping) Why are you upset? He's just a kid! Give him time! If Jalen Green was a product, you'd sue for false advertising. Y'all been hedging your bets, lowering the bar all the way back in October since his shitty preseason. @JayGoogle & @NewAge saw it too. ↓↓↓ In the summer/preseason when the media, writers & GMs picked him to win ROY, it wasn't because he wasn't ready or "needs a few years"... Y'all kill @Bobbythegreat for the Brewer comparison but the Kobe/MJ comparisons are/were just as asinine. “Most ready!” "NBA ready!" “Played in the G League against GROWN MEN!” “Played in the G League with NBA rules, NBA sets, NBA coaches, routine of the NBA!” “Green is gonna come in and (if nothing else) score from day one! Certified bucket getter!” “Next Kobe/MJ!” "ROY!" @NewAge nailed this **** from the start. Cult formation, where no matter what happens, the future is always bright for Green and reach for things like... "Hey, I know he's playing shitty but man, did you see his beautiful stride up the side of the court?! Defenders have to respect his beautiful, fast stride!" "Hey, I know Ryan Anderson is being paid $80M and he can't shoot/won't shoot but his gravitational force just opens up the offense so much! Leave Ryan alone!" Congrats, he had a few hot shooting nights. ("WhErE dA hAtErZ aT?!") And when he doesn't, utterly useless/worthless. (Wow, who could have seen that coming?!) No wonder the Rockets are reportedly searching for a "franchise centerpiece-worthy player". Yes, every team is looking to get better, for upgrades, for ways to improve their team but... Memphis isn't looking for a franchise centerpiece-worthy player. They have one. Dallas isn't looking for a franchise centerpiece-worthy player. They have one. Milwaukee isn't looking for a franchise centerpiece-worthy player. They have one. You get the idea. Even Detroit, they'll get another top 5 pick here to potentially add one but with Cade, they have it. "I need to Lock in, Focus on my craft, and get that Rookie of the Year" https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/...raft-and-get-that-rookie-of-the-year”.312470/ Forget that Rookie of the Year. Get back in the gym. "LaVine, Booker, Beal, ANT sucked too/had comparable stats so it's OK if Green sucks!" (I guess for every LaVine, Booker, Beal, ANT, there's also a Killian Hayes, Jarrett Culver, Markelle Fultz, Josh Jackson, Kris Dunn, Mario Hezonja, Emmanuel Mudiay, Dante Exum, Nik Stauskas, Jimmer Fredette, Dion Waiters, Wesley Johnson, Jonny Flynn, Corey Brewer ), Adam Morrison,...)
