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Report: Houston Rockets have been searching market for ‘franchise centerpiece-worthy player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaBeard, Jan 20, 2022.

  1. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

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    Man. With Ben Simmons this team could get a $40M contract player that sucks in the playoffs! That would be an incredible feat. Wowowowowow
     
  2. hlmbasketball

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    I'm not trying to downplay what happen with Ben in the playoffs but if you're asking whether I prefer anyone in this draft other than Smith or Banchero over Simmons....THEN HELL NO!

    The Rockets need a top 20 player at this point, not another rookie that's going to take yrs to prove himself and from the reports, they are thinking the same way.
     
  3. danoman

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    This sounds like Tillman’s Fertita mentality of the past. I want stars, I want stars, go get me a star player.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s the one pushing this mentality down to the organization again.
     
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  4. Reeko

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    Provide the source or link for these reports because I feel you’re making it up.
     
  5. hlmbasketball

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    Everything you said is 100% correct but if GS can make it work with Dreymond and Philly made it work with a center who clogs the lanes, in Embid, I am sure the Rockets can make it work with Wood, KPJ and Green.

    I think the way the Rockets want to speed up the pace, coincides with the way Simmons wants to play as well.
     
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  6. MorningZippo

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    Hi Tilman or Tilman son,

    The worst team in the league DOES NOT need to trade all of its assets for a borderline top 20 player.

    Please stop thinking like a restaurant manager that needs to get through the week, and start thinking bigger.
     
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    The Rockets don’t need a top 20 player right now, especially one with a max contract with 4 more years that can’t shoot and has mental problems. Not to mention holding out on a team that is competing for a championship. What makes you think he would even deem to play for us? If we could get a top 20 player, not named Simmons, Dame, or Irving at a good price than sure. Zion maybe?
     
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  8. cheke64

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    I think this is just a Rockets PR move just throwing some meat at the season ticket holders.
     
  9. kjayp

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    But.. but... we tanked. We got a top 2 pick... surely a full year of tanking rewarded us with a franchise centerpiece....
    I thought the plan was to tank this year for another high draft pick - and then have 2 dominate players!
    Then...then... we can tank a 3rd year - DYNASTY, baby!!!!!!

    Next thing you know you guys are gonna tell me that collecting high draft pick players deosnt assure any future prosperity... as if the draft is just a crapshoot of unproven commodities...

    It's almost like building a culture with upright motivated players should be the initial focus - as opposed to just throwing a bunch of young undeveloped talent together and hoping they pan out and they figure it out... but that cant be right...

    lol
     
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  10. Aruba77

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    Please no “franchise player” who can’t shoot. And preferably no older than 25. That’s all I’m asking. Now go get John Collins.
     
  11. Tuckankhamun

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    We're going to be trading high draft picks and assets for borderline top 25 players while holding the worst record in the West?

    We're one misstep away from the mid-2000s Knicks.
     
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  12. Joe Joe

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    I don't think you understand the process. A team keeps drafting and developing players until it finds the right players to build around/trade for stars. This takes time or luck. While I am against purely tanking, going all-in to get locked into the treadmill of play-in games is not appealing either.
     
  13. Tuckankhamun

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    I don't get it, we narrowly avoided giving up the #5 pick to OKC last year, and are subject to top 5 protections and pick swaps three more times until the decade is out.

    But Stone and Tillboy are willing to sell everything left for another """star""" player?
     
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  14. kjayp

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    oh i fully understand 'the process'... i just dont think it necessarily provides the best foundation for building a franchise...
    A) High draft picks can be greatly rewarding - they can also be busts that turn into a waste of time and resources... In most folks minds 'the process' is a shortcut to thinking and doing ones due diligence.... if you tank and get LeBron - you're a genius! If yo tank and get Kwame Brown... well... not so great... I prefer proven assets - unless you have a guy in that draft that really impresses you...
    B) I've been going on about this whole philosophy of getting a bunch of unproven guys on the same 'developmental timetable' and hoping they all come to fruition at the same time - thats stupid... You gotta build a culture and have vets to mentor and help develop that young talent... not just throwing a bunch of youngsters with potential together and hoping it works out...

    It's the difference between putting your nose to the grindstone, saving your pennies and trying to work towards your goals...
    or spending whatever money (ie draft capital) that you do have on scratchers and hoping you become a millionaire...
     
  15. Nook

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    This is so funny to me...... of course the Rockets are searching for a "franchise centerpiece worthy player"........ and so is every other team in the NBA.... they are all constantly looking. Even the Warriors in their prime were looking for one, and added KD.

    The reality is that right now no one on the Rockets has shown that they are worthy of being a true franchise player (top 5-10 player in the league) and that is how you win in the NBA. So the Rockets are looking and looking hard. Perhaps it ends up being Green.... maybe it will be Ivey or Holmgren in the draft.... maybe the Rockets don't get one for the next decade, there have been like only 5 in franchise history (Hayes/Malone/Sampson/Olajuwon/Harden)........ and out of those 5 only two were really good enough to lead teams to titles (Olajuwon/Harden) and only one of them did (Olajuwon).
     
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  16. chenjy9

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    Wait... people actually still think Ben Simmons is a top 20 player? :eek: Off the top of my head, I can easily think of 20 players right now in no particular order that I would rather have than Simmons.
    • Giannis Antetokounmpo
    • James Harden
    • Kevin Durant
    • Stephen Curry
    • Nikola Jokic
    • LeBron James
    • Joel Embiid
    • Kawhi Leonard
    • Luka Doncic
    • Anthony Davis
    • Devin Booker
    • Chris Paul
    • Jimmy Butler
    • Trae Young
    • Ja Morant
    • Paul George
    • Karl-Anthony Towns
    • Damian Lillard
    • Jayson Tatum
    • LaMelo Ball
     
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    I could live with tanking if it brought an Olajuwon/Sampson type duo.
     
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    Well duh…. We are going to be predatory but there’s not much out there in terms of “centerpiece” during the mid season.
     
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  20. kjayp

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    sure... but thats always gonna be a gamble... maybe you get Olajuwon - maybe you get Sam Bowie....

    Thats where I say dont blindly follow 'the process' - you gotta evaluate every situation as it occurs....

    If you have the #8 pick are you better off gambling on an unproven Rudy Gay - or getting a proven commodity like Battier? Most will say that acquiring Battier is something you do later - after you have your 'franchise centerpiece' in place and are building around him... maybe... i think theres also tremendous value in having a guy like Battier in the locker room NOW to maybe help develop some youngster INTO that centerpiece player...

    I have to believe that high draft picks have far more value than the AVERAGE player that is actually drafted at ANY spot will have 2 or 3 years in... its like that car losing value the minute you drive it off the lot... If you got a guy that you think is above average for your draft spot - sure, you gamble... but if the guys available at that spot are 'average' for that spot - trade it away and get a proven commodity...

    ...imo
     
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