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Critical Race Theory.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jiggyfly, May 17, 2021.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    As a trustee he has a responsibility to look at something like the report in a critical manner.

    The report IS critical of the district's treatment of minority students because of its pct of black teachers.

    HISD is the biggest district in the state. It's totally reasonable for him to use it as a comparison
     
  2. pgabriel

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    #862 pgabriel, Jan 16, 2022
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    I grew up among and remain acquainted with these people. They've been falling for the same race-baiting messaging by the GOP since I was in elementary school.

    Back then, the boogey monster was quotas, gangsta rap, Willie Horton and Sister Soulja. Now it is CRT, BLM, and Ilhan Omar. They were and continue to be convinced that immigrants are both taking their jobs and are living on welfare while watching Telemundo all day.

    They're fine with discussing MLK so long as the conversation is limited to his "I Have a Dream" speech and his non-violence methods. They're fine with discussing civil rights so long as its limited to Jackie Robinson and how Democrats and Republicans voted together for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. But if anyone brings up anything that demonstrates we still have work to do to correct 400 years of racism, their response is "It's not polite to talk politics." They'll go out of their way to forgive and excuse their fellow church member who posts blatantly racist **** on Facebook, but will give the silent treatment to the person who defends AOC as a valuable and noble member of Congress.

    Stepping outside of my own world, what we saw in the Virginia governor election supports my claim. The overwhelming consensus is that McAuliffe lost because white moderate voters were scared by the CRT boogeyman as described by Youngkin. It doesn't matter that Youngkin is your typical Trumpy businessman who's already pulling the same crap Abbot has with Covid and environmental issues - for these voters, they can forgive someone for closing polling places in black neighborhoods but they can't forgive someone who might have their child exposed to hard issues on race in school.

    And finally, I want to note how seldom these voters (when interviewed or polled) can explain their opposition to CRT. And the reason they can't is because it's basically their own personal interpretation of how far a teacher should be allowed to go when discussing race relations in the US. Personally, I find it troubling that anyone feels there should be some kind of line or cutoff point when it comes to discussing race in schools. That's not to say we should spend all year framing every aspect of American history and culture from a race perspective (as if that were possible), but given how many people in this country believe racism ended either with the end of the Civil War or with the Civil Rights movement, it's very clear we need to improve what's being taught.

    Now does every moderate feel this way. No. But enough do to make a difference, particularly in local elections for school boards.
     
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    “The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and racism. The problems of racial injustice and economic injustice cannot be solved without a radical redistribution of political and economic power”.
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    And then murder him.

    And then do what they could to make sure schools can't teach about him.
     
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    You grew up among who exactly?

    So you think "these people" are of a hive mind?

    Do you hear yourself, you are profiling an entire segment of the population just because they are middle class and white and you seem very comfortable doing it.

    Shame on you.

    This is the same mindset and excuses people use for profiling and stop and frisk, they not all bad but enough of them are to check everybody.

    This why we can't have nice things, too many people want to bad mouth a huge percentage of the population.
     
  11. jiggyfly

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    Can you give me a link showing the report was critical of the treatment of minority students and it was because of its pct of black teachers.

    Or are you just making **** up?
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    What platform did the new Virginia governor win on?

    He won... So his platform had to have reached the moderate white middle class also which makes up the brunt of the voting bloc in Virginia.

    I've noticed that you are getting more and more defensive and accusatory with posters over disagreements. Shame on you.

    This nation voted in Donald ****ing Trump btw. It takes a LOT MORE than right wing extremists for Trump to become president.
     
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    Chicago’s “Race-Neutral” Traffic Cameras Ticket Black and Latino Drivers the Most
    A ProPublica analysis found that traffic cameras in Chicago disproportionately ticket Black and Latino motorists. But city officials plan to stick with them — and other cities may adopt them too.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/...eras-ticket-black-and-latino-drivers-the-most

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    But for all of their safety benefits, the hundreds of cameras that dot the city — and generate tens of millions of dollars a year for City Hall — have come at a steep cost for motorists from the city’s Black and Latino neighborhoods. A ProPublica analysis of millions of citations found that households in majority Black and Hispanic ZIP codes received tickets at around twice the rate of those in white areas between 2015 and 2019.

    The consequences have been especially punishing in Black neighborhoods, which have been hit with more than half a billion dollars in penalties over the last 15 years, contributing to thousands of vehicle impoundments, driver’s license suspensions and bankruptcies, according to ProPublica’s analysis.
    more at the link
     
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  14. subtomic

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    White middle class moderates and conservatives in the suburbs. I am white and middle class myself, as were my parents (who are more moderate politically than me), and we lived in the suburbs.

    No and I said as much in my previous post.

    No I'm judging people based on their real actions (in this case, voting choices and willingness to excuse and forgive racist behavior even if they aren't inclined to shout epithets themselves). I've made it abundantly clear that there are exceptions (hell, I'm one of them as are my parents and many of our friends and acquaintances in the same demographic)

    Are you seriously challenging the fact that the most frequent "swing" voters in this country are white middle class voters?

    Are you seriously challenging the fact that race baiting (whether it be today's CRT or yesterday's "welfare queens driving Cadillacs") hasn't been a successful strategy in getting them to vote for GOP candidates?

    Because my posts are basically restating these two facts, albeit less succinctly and with a personal perspective.
     
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    I am only challenging you demonizing an entire segment of the population just because you lived among some of them.

    Just because most swing voters are suburban does not mean they voted republican because of CRT and most suburbans in Virginia reliably vote Democratic, so that really destroys your argument.

    I am not challenging any of your 2 facts that have nothing to do with what I said, my entire issue is with painting most of white suburbia as racist and that's why they voted for a candidate that used CRT as a weapon.

    Are you actually saying that's why the majority of white suburbia voted for him?

    What metrics are you using besides I grew up in the suburbs?
     
  16. fchowd0311

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    There are different degrees of racism. If someone voted in a governor who's main platform talking point during the campaign was "CRT bad", at best they are willing to overlook the racism because of possibly what? Tax rates? So at best they are ambivalent to a racist agenda.
     
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    He had a wide range of topics and yes he did use CRT but not every suburban voter knows what CRT is or voted for him because he used CRT.

    If you think his entire platform was CRT you really missed the boat and don't understand why he won or what moderate voters want.

    What did I say that was defensive and accusatory, why would I be defensive I am not white nor a republican.

    This nation also voted out Trump and flipped 2 southern states and voted in 2 senators from Georgia what's your point.

    You think everybody voted for Trump because he was racist, or only a racist would vote for Trump?

    Dude back up and stop getting in your feels.
     
  18. subtomic

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    I am not demonizing anyone - I am pointing out their voting patterns and the reasons for these voting patterns. These patterns have been well documented over the years and if you have failed to read any of it, that's on you.

    Yes, the swing voters in white suburbia who voted for Youngkin despite all his Trumpiness did so because of their fear of CRT. They've fallen for the GOP propaganda that liberals want CRT in primary education, which to them, means teachers are going to tell their kids that they're little white devils and that the USA is evil incarnate.

    As for the rest of your posts, you've made inferences from my post that no logical person would make. Just admit you don't know what the hell you are even arguing here, back off and rethink your positions.
     
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    The CRT thing was always bullshit that the media bought into but nobody else did - the real agenda of Youngkin & co is the same as the rest of the cultists - get masks out of schools in order to spread the virus more



    FWIW Youngkin young son - who tried to illegally vote for Youngkin twice - goes to a fancy Georgetown private school with mandatory masking.
     
  20. jiggyfly

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    His main platform talking point was not CRT, you are listening to the same dog whistle as the racist.

    And just because someone does not like the right wing talking points around CRT does not make them racist just uniformed which is what these voters are instead of racist.

    The fact that you think he won that race just because of CRT shows you really don't have an understanding of how politics work and why he was so effective in his messaging or the fact he had a terrible opponent.
     

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