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Critical Race Theory.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jiggyfly, May 17, 2021.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I have to do some backpedaling and let's be honest. StupidMoniker isn't twisting anything.

    The report says black students are more comfortable in HISD They have no basis to say that other than HISD has more black students.

    Cy-Fair according to dropout rate is the better. So he is defending Cy-Fair and rightfully.

    What is Millennial basing their conclusions on? Cy-Fair has a lot of black students I'm sure not as much as HISD. Does anyone know if there is public access to the study
     
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Conservatives are right about a few things on race.

    It's okay for the institute to say more black teachers will make better (better from what we have no idea)

    We all know no one can say more white teachers will make things better
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    This is Millennial Learning Concepts web site

    http://www.millenniumlearningconcepts.org/

    Their whole mission is diversity so of course they're gonna tell you, you need more diversity. Their founder is over diversity inclusion at Eastern Kentucky University

    I'm not anti diversity but all the news on the outrage about Henry's statements, I can't find **** about the study.
     
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  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    18% of cy fair's students are black, 44% are Hispanic

    22% of HISD's students are black so we can assume since Cy-Fair has the better drop out rate we can assume it's better among black students compared to HISD
     
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  5. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Your position is that black men need to stop crying about racism and start taking personal responsibility, and that's the solution to all the problems. That's very much a conservative position whether you like it or not.

    I'm not ASSuming, I'm simply using the correct term to describe your position. You can pretend to be whatever you are in your mind, but a spade is still a spade even if the spade wants to pretend to be a diamond.
     
  6. dobro1229

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    I for one find little difference nowadays in the views of both the wealthy white person from say the woodlands or trophy club vs a poor white person from Sealy, TX. The grievances run the same and deep from someone who makes 30k a year vs 300k. Actually I find the 300k Trophy club people more disturbing when I talk to them.

    They all live in the same online and FoxNews alternate reality that shapes a similar worldview with similar grievances.
     
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  7. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    No You ASSumed.my position on CRT *******

    Don't incorrectly sum up my positions in this forum *******. *******, again your arrogant ass tells me what I think.

    I never said racism doesn't exist. I think it's time to focus on broken homes in cyclical poverty..

    Now I'm involved in another stupid ass argument with the arrogant ******* who ran his stupid ass experiment on this forum as fake troll New Yorker.

    Your New Yorker stupidity is more proof of your arrogance, thinking you are some scientist and we're your laboratory mice

    You can't admit being wrong on your ASSumption on my CRT opinion so you go on trying to keep proving I'm something I'm telling you I'm not. Arrogance summed up
     
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  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    If I call out another poster put of nowhere and incorrectly ASSume their position I either stfu or be a man and apologize

    You go on like an upset girlfriend who a started a stupid ass argument and keep bringing up old ish you are still wrong about.

    Do you disagree that poor blacks who are in the midst of cyclical poverty can improve their situation with things like more focus on education? What's so bad about having that opinion that you have to call me out of nowhere and not admit to being wrong about me on another subject because you think my position on cyclical poverty is so wrong?
     
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    It's great that you now agree that education is key to breaking cyclical poverty where before you stated it was just black men lifting up by their boot straps and not crying about racism or asking white people to help. You've come along way, congrats!

    Look, it appears you have changed your position over time, and I salute you for that. Honestly, I do. It takes character to change one's position even if one doesn't have the self awareness to admit it.

    As for upset girlfriend...I think you might want to reconsider that statement for two reasons. 1. it's highly misogynistic and 2. right now it looks like you are the one who is very very upset!
     
  10. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    How? You are conflating focusing on educational outcomes (not making race the primary hiring consideration, his actual stated position) with excluding black teachers (hiring based solely on race, the position you are attributing to him). He said nothing about excluding black teachers, and in fact pointed out that Cy-Fair beats the state average for percentage of black teachers. There is nothing he ACTUALLY SAID to support your position. You have decided he is a racist because he said the district with a 1.2% dropout rate should not use the district with a 4% dropout rate as the model for how they should conduct hiring (by creating an equity-focused administrative office), especially since they are already beating the state average for black teachers. The great irony is you and Millennial Learning Concepts are advocating hiring based solely on race (must have more black teachers) which is the very position you are attacking him for supposedly having, just favoring a different race.

    Again, you made a claim that his racism and exclusion of black teachers was clear based on context, background, and consistent messaging. You have yet to provide a single example of this context, background, and consistent messaging. You have made claims with no evidence. Here again, you have made a claim that he was using race to exclude black teachers. When? What black teacher was excluded? How do you know this hypothetical black teacher was excluded based on race?
     
  11. NewRoxFan

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    How would you like to be a black school teacher (or even a black parent) in that school district, seeing someone that has direct control of your teaching career and the teaching curriculum that your child is taught make that statement on video?

    That's why he should lose his job.
     
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  12. FranchiseBlade

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    He said HISD has more black teachers and a higher drop out rate. He said he doesn't want to be like HISD.

    You are working incredibly hard to try and find a way that what he mentioned wasn't negative toward black teachers.
     
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  13. FranchiseBlade

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    If he only mentioned drop out rates he can talk about that without issue all day long.

    But he brought up one trait of some teachers and that was their race. Why group teachers' race with what he didn't want to be unless he was implying a connection or causation? Most of us understand how language works and that his message was that black teachers is a negative thing.

    Trying to claim he was celebrating diversity is absolutely twisting and denying his intent.
     
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    Past tweets from scott henry:

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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    You are right he wasn't celebrating diversity but the opposition to diversity is because of the claim that cy fair needs to be more like HISD when cy fair is a better district with plenty of black students

    The issue here is the company and the purpose of the study imo

    Cy Fair is a suburb district but it's very diverse. It doesn't have the economic advantages some might assume and hisd is classified as a district who has to share resources because it's "wealthy"
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Another false claim ahole. Where have I ever said black people need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps.

    I don't go around using conservative catch phrases like pull yourselves up by bootstraps because I'm not the fox news watching conservative you think I am.

    *******

    I have not changed my positions. You are an arrogant ASSuming ******* who doesn't listen so you think I changed when you never listened

    I told you it's always been my position. Don't say it wasn't after I told you it was or have proof I've changed or stfu.

    TIA

    Now I'm misogynistic. Another goal goal post move by the angry ranting girlfriend. If there were women in this forum I wouldn't go to misogynistic stereotypes but since it's us guys deal with it because I'm trying to make a point to you that you are the one who needs to change.

    This forum is a good place to learn from others but everyone comes in here to soapbox. Fine I come in here to state an opinion but I have learned from others in this learn because I listen.

    Do yourself a favor and temper your arrogance and maybe you will learn something from someone
     
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  17. StupidMoniker

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    Yes. The outside agency said they should be more like HISD because HISD has more black teachers. He said Cy-Fair has better outcomes than HISD, and oh by the way, Cy-Fair has more black teachers than the state average, so why should they try to be more like the district with worse outcomes just to hire more black teachers. You are ignoring that there was a specific recommendation to create an equity-focused administrative office, which is what he was responding to.
    This is not hard at all. Why would it be when the text of what he said so obviously contradicts the motivation you are attributing to him?
    1. Cy-Fair has better educational outcome metrics than HISD (at least based on dropout rate, the only other metric mentioned).
    2. Millenium Learning Concepts recommends establishing an equity-focused administrative office to change the focus to hiring more black teachers to be more like HISD.
    3. Board member says, we already have more black teachers than the state average 13% vs. 10%, so why would we focus on hiring more black teachers to be more like HISD when Cy-Fair is already getting better educational outcomes.

    All of this has been repeated several times - why are you ignoring what he actually said and the context in which he said it to instead focus on your interpretation of one cherry-picked sentence?

    It sure seems obvious to me that he was telling Millenium Learning Concepts to stuff it with their focus on race and he is going to keep doing what is actually working better than the district they are using as a model. I, and most people, would prefer focus on competence in hiring than a focus on race. If that results in more diversity, fine. If not, also fine. The goal should be to put out the best product, in this case, the best educational outcomes for a school district. Would you rather have a) the best teachers whatever skin color they end up having or b) the most black teachers at the best quality you can find limiting your search by skin color? Even if you ended up with the exact same outcome, clearly the better process to reach it would be choice (a).

    I did notice that once again you have provided none of the alleged context, prior statements, and consistent messaging which you claimed is what made it clear he was attacking black teachers.
     
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    I'm not ignoring what he said. He's attributing HISD's higher drop out rate to more black teachers. He doesn't want to be like them. The only metric he's tying in with their blackout rate is black teachers.
     
  19. jiggyfly

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    And you are basing this on what?

    That's a hell of a statement to make about a big swath of the population.

    So where do you get these numbers that middle-class white moderates are voting against CRT?

    What are using to back up your claim that these white moderates are uncomfortable with their kids learning about the treatment of minorities?

    Can you link to some numbers or what you are using to make this claim?
     
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    I did not read it like that at all can you link where you are getting this?

    The report was talking about diversity hiring, not anything about what they thought Cy Fair should be or who to emulate

    And the outside agency never said they should be like HISD because they have more black teachers, you sure seem to making up some stuff.
     
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