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Critical Race Theory.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jiggyfly, May 17, 2021.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    To fully understand a message, it is necessary to look at context, including previous statements and long term messaging.

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    I disagree wholeheartedly what he communicated. His words, context, and messaging were clear. He is against hiring black teachers. There is no doubt.
     
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    Update from my 7 year olds first grade class. They had their first lesson on MLK on Wednesday and in her folder it said that they’d be learning through the rest of the week.

    Well apparently a parent complained she was teaching CRT and they did some coloring book assignments instead. I sh$t you not. We are also losing our superintendent who announced he’s retiring. He made it pretty clear without calling it out directly that the new right wing funded school board is just too much to deal with.
     
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  3. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Sadly, there are way too many uneducated (prejudice, redneck) parents who associate any black focused teaching as CRT. Also sad is that the individual schools or school districts are afraid (wary, tired, hesitant) to tell the parents to shove it.
     
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    Exactly. The issue right now they are dealing with across the board is that half of the staff is out with Covid. Then they get this crap shoved on their plate and so I don’t blame them one bit for just saying it’s not worth the fight and then just telling the 1st grade teachers to bust out the coloring books.

    Now we do have a special situation here because a certain HGTV star is involved with our school board and there’s chaos and drama that goes well above and beyond what a normal Texas school is dealing with but it’s still an exaggerated reality across the board at some level. Even if Chip Gaines’ sister isn’t on the board at a central or south Texas school district, they still hear about it there and there’s a chilling/bullying affect.
     
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  5. FranchiseBlade

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    What pure crap. I'm sorry a few people's ignorance is allowed to hamper the education of the rest.
     
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    It’s not just the rednecks - it’s the middle class white moderates who would rather tolerate the suppression of all civil right education (and vote for those who use CRT as a boogeyman) than expose their kids to some our country’s uncomfortable history when it comes to the treatment of minorities.
     
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  7. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    There is clearly some doubt, as I just posited that he is saying the exact opposite of what you are saying. You claim that there are previous statements and long-term messaging. Perhaps that is true, but no one has presented that here. From what has actually been presented, there is only your claim in direct opposition to his actual words.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. He mentioned about hiring black teachers and that HISD had a 4% drop out rate and that he didn't want to be HISD and didn't want to be 4%.

    The meaning is that hiring black teachers would lead to a higher dropout rate and that he didn't want that. If the one characteristic of teachers for hire that he mentioned was their race, and that he didn't want the outcomes that he mentioned that went along with that, his message is pretty clear.
     
  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    It's not just Franchise blade's claim. His job claimed it by firing him

    I will give you that his intent is criticizing race based hiring but he does that by criticizing black teachers.

    You keep saying he says cy fair had a higher pct of black teachers but hisd has an overwhelmingly higher pct than the state.

    The state has a higher drop out rate than both districts so why didn't he quote that rate?
     
  10. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    This is what the right wingers want. They want to label anything about the civil rights movement as "CRT" so they can ban it and program people that racism doesn't exist to @pgabriel delight.
     
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  11. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    This is why I use personal insults like *******. You call me out for no ****in reason and put words in my mouth like racism doesn't exist.

    Does that not make you an ******* an *******. Where have I labeled everything CRT *******? Good lord. Then you go to the look how you get personal card. It's not personal, you're an arrogant ASSuming *******
     
  12. StupidMoniker

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    Do you believe everyone that is fired for something they said that went viral on the Internet deserved to be fired? That the most uncharitable interpretation of their words is the only reasonable one, and that they automatically hold whatever position is being attributed to them?
    Thank you. I think that is obvious. It is also, as I said, the exact opposite of the claim made by FB.
    I don't think he technically criticized black teachers. He said that his district has a better outcome than a district with more black teachers (implying that simply hiring more black teachers for their race is unlikely to lead to improved outcomes). The context being that an outside audit recommended an equity-focused administrative office, which is not something he considered a wise spending strategy.
    Yes, Cy-Fair is between HISD and the state average, more black teachers than the state average, but fewer than HISD.
    I am guessing because he didn't see how it was helpful to the point he is making. As others have posted, that may be calculated differently as well, but I don't know if that is the case. Were I him, I would have used that additional data point to show that there is no correlation between having more black teachers and the dropout rate, and thus hiring should be merit based, not race based.
    See above, I laid it out pretty clearly (and he did as well, IMO). The point isn't that more black teachers leads to a higher dropout rate, it is that his district has a better (lower) dropout rate, so there is no reason to model themselves after a district that has a dropout rate triple that of Cy-Fair, be that in terms of hiring or otherwise. He specifically pointed out that Cy-Fair has more black teachers than the state average and a very low dropout rate. If he was trying to prove black teachers -> higher dropout rates, he picked an odd way to go about it.
     
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    Except that the only trait of teachers he mentioned was their race and he mentioned it in the context of what he didn't want his district to be.
     
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    This is ***** why you are ************ one of my favorite ******* poster in the ***** D&D.
     
  16. StupidMoniker

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    Sort of. He mentioned it in response to a specific recommendation that an outside audit recommended an equity-focused administrative office. The outside agency (Millenium Learning Concepts) compared the black teacher percentage at Cy-Fair to the black teacher percentage at HISD, and decided that (solely because of the skin color of the teachers) HISD was doing better. The board member then pointed out two facts. First, Cy-Fair has 1/3 the dropout rate of HISD, so why would they want to be more like HISD? Second, Cy-Fair has a higher percentage of black teachers than the state average, so they are not suffering from some lack of black teachers. The reason race was the only trait he mentioned of the teachers is that was the metric his district was being scolded over. If the report had said that Cy-Fair didn't have enough non-binary teachers, he would have talked about that instead. The takeaway is not that he doesn't want black teachers in the district, the district is already beating the state average in that regard. The takeaway is that he doesn't want to focus funding on an equity-focused administrative office when the example they are using against him is worse at educational outcomes (assumedly the purpose of the school district) than his district, and his district is already more diverse than average anyway.

    You said there was additional context and a history of messaging (I assume you mean related to this guy and not that racism exists or something). Would you care to share any of it? Just relying on the text of what he said and wrote, I find it hard to find fault with any of it.
     
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    Seriously bro. I'm not the conservative you think. What's really irritating about that is I keep telling you that. Every time you incorrectly ASSume my position on an issue I tell you this. I have my criticism of CRT but I don't go around talking about how it's being taught in schools. I don't care about it that much

    I have hundreds of arguments in this forum on many issues but I have the courtesy to remember someone's position after they have taken time to have an exchange with me. I know I can't remember everything but as much as I tell you that **** I think you could have the same courtesy. And because you don't you're just an *******.

    You don't listen because like most people in these discussions you don't talk to people you talk at them

    You are just extra arrogant about your self rightousness your thinking that you already know my opinion before I tell you
     
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    What’s being missed is that public schools just need to hire a bunch of Asian moms. [kidding. That wouldn’t work. You’d need to send the kids to after school homework camps run by Asian parents. Kidding. Well maybe not, it would be an interesting experiment]
     
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    That’s pretty fu**ing infuriating to see. How f***ing stupid and racist do you have to be to make a reach like that.

    Please, I beg for one out conservative posters to attempt to justify this.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    But he was using race to exclude black teachers.
     

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