and as I think back on the 2000 election, I think I probably did vote for Gore, I had forgotten that was the year Nader ran and I'm pretty positive I didn't vote for him.
If Biden doesn't run and the Democrats run Gore or Hillary Clinton I predict it will be a disaster. This has nothing to do with their positions but both have shown they just aren't that good as campaigners particularly with capturing the imagination of the electorate. Come 2024 it will almost be a quarter of the 21st Century and we need candidates who are younger and less constrained by the 20th. For me personally I would like to see Pete Buttigeig and think after a term of being a prominent cabinet secretary on one of the successes of this Administration will help him greatly.
Of course people say they want a young and skilled candidate, but Biden was chosen by primary voters like myself who had all the options in the world going into Super Tuesday, but the voters nowadays (especially those that vote in the primaries) are like amateur political analysts and made the decision with Biden because he seemed to consolidate the density of the Dem voting base needed to win & weave through the policies of those factions the best. So when we talk about 2024 or more likely 2028 with Dems, it's going to be the same thing. Who is it that best holds the voting coalition together in order to win. Who has policy positions that are popular and relevant enough to capture votes from everyone in between your Joe Manchin type of voters to your AOC voters. Primary Dem voters aren't that hard to understand. Republican voters on the other hand.... are a different type of breed. Based on the guys who go to the top I would say whoever barks the loudest at the carnival gets their vote. They want to win by any means though because they see governing as an existential crisis and have been conditioned for years now that the election system is tainted, and winning by "taking" power is the only way. So we'll just have to wait and see what happens with your fellow Republican primary voters in 24. Will they have a come to Jesus moment and have a candidate come in that runs on ideas that unite the party in a small D democratic way, or will Trump just roll over the party through the process, and make us be subjected to a campaign of grievances, and re-living 2020 because we know all that Trump will run on is how the election was stolen, and the world has been mean to him blah blah racism blah blah.
Oddly enough that was my first election as a voter, and I voted for W Bush because of my parents. I apologize to everyone for that stupid decision. Had I lived in Florida I could have been part of the reason why we ended up in forever wars among many other horrible policies that still plague our country today.
Pete has no chance of winning a primary let alone POTUS…I do agree we need new blood but he isn’t it.
To be fair to Gore I don't think you can just throw him back in as an old hat establishment Dem anymore. I don't think that core part of the Dem voting base sees him as that. He's been more of a celebrity/activist than he had been a former VP and presidential candidate. But it's all moot anyways because I'm 99% sure he's not running ever again. He doesn't really have the personality type anyways to be flashy enough on a stage of 15 other candidates. Again like 2020 we'll be flooded with fresh Dem candidates like Yang and Pete types so that process will just have to play out. But the short amount of time they have during a 2024 primary if Biden pulls an LBJ it will lead to the same issue as 2020 where primary voters don't mess around too long, and consensus builds with who the best candidate is to weave in between voting blocks. I just hope that Biden won't need to pull an LBJ anyways because if he's doing that it's because Covid is STILL ravaging our economy and that's bad news for me personally because I need people back in person, and need to get on the road again for my professional career to get back on track. This pandemic sucks, and I wish everyone was rooting for our Country to beat this thing instead of just seeing it as a tool to take back power in 22 and 24 as we know many of our Trumper friends here are hoping.
I'm not going to claim Buttigeig is the perfect candidate and you're right he would have a tough road. He came a long way though in a very short time and I think his ability and willingness to speak across the ideological spectrum is a plus. I also think he has a far more practical sense than ideological which will serve this country well. Remember he started out as a novelty, the 38 year old gay mayor of a small city, running for President of the US. That he was even taken seriously and given a prominent cabinet post speaks a lot to his ability.
Yeah I have doubts that Gore would actually run which is one reason why I don't think he should be considered. I don't know if Biden will run again or not. For political reasons I don't think he will reveal that for awhile and not until there is clearly someone who can take his place. I don't think that someone is Gore and definitely not Hillary Clinton.
We’re bringing up names like Gore and Hillary Clinton for 2024? To go along with 82 y/o Biden, unpopular Kamala, or Pete Buttigieg who’s about as exciting as mayo on untoasted bread for dinner? My gawd, just waive the white flag now. Dems offering up a 7 win Bobcats level lineup for presidency
Biden will turn 80 on November 20. He has already successfully fulfilled his election obligation to be Not Trump™, but the longer he stays in office the more he fuels the Pro-Trump in 2024™ bandwagon. I think he follows LBJ and steps aside for the good of the country.
Frustrated Democrats Call for ‘Reset’ Ahead of Midterm Elections Democrats already were expecting a rough election year. But their struggle to advance priorities has some calling for a course correction. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/14/us/politics/democratic-midterms.html excerpt: Others say that as president, Mr. Biden has fallen out of step with many voters by focusing on issues like climate change and voting rights. While crucial for the country, those topics aren’t topping the list of concerns for many voters still trying to navigate the uncertainties of a pandemic stretching into a third year. “The administration is focused on things that are important but not particularly salient to voters and sometimes as president you have to do that,” said Matt Bennett, a co-founder of Third Way, a moderate Democratic think tank. “Now, we need to begin to move back to talking about the things that people do care about.” more at the link
Poll: Democrats Drop and Republicans Rise, but the Real Juice Is With the Independents https://reason.com/2022/01/18/gallu...-but-the-real-juice-is-with-the-independents/ excerpt: What about independents? Gallup asked those who identified as independent to pick which of the two main parties they leaned toward more; there was no option to identify with the Libertarian Party or other third parties. On average, 8 percent identified as not leaning either way and roughly equal proportions said they leaned Democrat (17 percent) or Republican (16 percent). The fact that most independents do lean either Republican or Democrat hides an interesting data point: More Americans identify as independent than as either Republican or Democrat. In last year's poll, an average of 42 percent of survey respondents said they were politically independent, while just 29 percent identified off the bat as Democrat and 27 percent as Republican. The proportion of independents is up slightly from recent years (39 percent in 2020 and 41 percent in 2019). And it reflects a "broader trend toward an increasing share of political independents [that] has been clear over the past decade," notes Gallup: "At least four in 10 Americans have considered themselves independents in all years since 2011, except for the 2016 and 2020 presidential election years. Before 2011, independent identification had never reached 40%." more at the link
