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The Jalen Green Experience is Coming

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mathloom, Nov 9, 2021.

  1. vator

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  2. Tom Bombadillo

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    This doesn't worry me in the slightest.

    I am incredibly excited about everything else we are seeing from Jalen. His ability to finish at the rim and get to the foul line was my most major concern when he was drafted, and he has shown flashes of dominance in the paint.

    He will be fighting for 50-40-90 for years and years to come. And now we know he can work himself into a game without making threes. Now we just need an NBA weight room and continued progress on the defensive end.

    We got a complete stud.
     
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    Yeah I'm not too worried about him missing shots in general, at the end of the day if he wants to become a top scorer in the league, you really don't stop shooting good looks even if you are 0-6. He's a very good free throw shooter already at 19, and attempts quite a good amount of free throws, so these normally translate well into good shooting.

    However, his shot is a bit funky, so there needs to be correction over the off-season.
     
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    Jalen 6'7
    Morant 6'5 and a half.

    In a perfect world.
     
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    Durant's rookie season:
    .288 3pt%; .519 TS%

    Green so far:
    .311 3pt%; .529 TS%

    Not saying that Green will be like Durant. But I agree that Green's shooting is not something we need to worry too much.
     
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    Durantula was going to be that midrange assassin.
     
  7. NewAge

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    that was a good game from Jalen. People are hanging onto shooting efficiency too much, but there are many ways to impact winning. he was aggressive, 8 rebounds, going to the line. contributed to the win.
     
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    Durant as a rookie had really bad selection. But he learned to pick his spots and the rest was history.
     
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    Fair enough and turns out to be one of the most insecure players.

    The biggest simp of bath tub water and a fool of burner accounts.
     
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    Durant shot 40% from 3 in college and he was a good shooter in high school. I can't find his high school stats but I believe he was 40%+ there too.

    Green has had 4 games so far where he was 17/33 from 3 for 51.5% and the other 24 games he has shot 27.5% from 3. In his Team USA youth career he shot 28.5% from 3. He was a 35% 3pt shooter in high school and the G-League. I hope it changes and I feel like he should be better from 3, but he hasn't shown anything yet at any point in his basketball career of being a sharpshooter.
     
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    True, Green has never been a particularly consistent shooter—but he has good touch and his free throws are an indication that he can potentially be a REALLY good shooter. I really enjoy watching the kid learn game-to-game; it’s clear that he’s a very coachable young dude.

    I think the one thing I’d like him to work on right now is knowing when to cut and his off-ball awareness. He is definitely smart enough to get that down quick
     
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    he’s not a good shooter, but all he needs to be is decent so that people don’t hang back on him, anticipating the drive. If he’s respect enough for defenders to be closing up on him, that’s what he needs to open up his blow-by.
     
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    Green is actually a 36.5% shooter from 3 in the G-League (NBA distance) on 7 attempts.

    The college 3 distance is shorter, so it'll be a lot easier to convert 3 point shots. For comparison, Fultz shot 41% on 3s in college on 5 attempts, and Durant 41% on 6 attempts. The only distinguishing feature between the two is Fultz shot 65% from free throws, and Durant 81%, and we can see how that translated to the NBA. Green for comparison shot 83% on free throws in the G-League.

    Free throws have historically been the key feature scouts used to determine whether a player can become a good shooter. There are always exceptions, but Green matches all the profiles of being a good shooter. It's also why scouts believe Sengun will develop a 3point shot, because Sengun shot 80% from free throws in the Turkish league. Granted, it's at 70% at the moment (although Green is still hanging at 80%+), but for Sengun this could just be matter of opportunity and attempts.

    The thing is Green attempts a high volume of 3s (6.4 attempts). The more 3s attempted, the lower the percentage is (if Green only took spot up open 3s, his percentage will likely be a lot higher, but his attempts will drop by 3-4 a game).
     
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    Before tonight he was shooting:

    .442 FG
    .407 3FG
    .833 FT

    ...since he returned from injury. The guy is going to be chasing 50-40-90 in his career.
     
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    right, so if you exclude tonight and the early season, he’s a decent shooter. But if you only count the early season and tonight, he’s… terrible.
     
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    People don't understand that everyone has nights where they miss a lot of their shots, but the true warriors come out on the other side with hard earned points anyway. That Green got 14 on 14 shots on a bad shooting night is awesome. We even got the win.

    Tremendous display from Jalen to avoid getting down on himself like KPJ does in this same situation. Instead he just kept attacking, never too high when he's making, never too low when he's missing. Green will be a clutch player in this league, it's obvious.
     
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    He shot poorly tonight, that's fine. He's been shooting much better overall as of late than early in the season.

    And yes, for a 19 year old, their first 10-15 games really doesn't matter in comparison to their last 10-15 games. It's not rocket science that rookies improve drastically over the course of a season, and that their first few games isn't a good representation of their actual capabilities.
     
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    Very well said on free throws as a predictor of shooting improvement. That is one of my biggest concerns with KPJ, as much potential as I think he has. He has never been over 75% and now is struggling to hit 60%. If he cannot learn to shoot effectively, there is no hope for him as a high minutes player - the spacing simply won’t work.
     
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    If ever in doubt about Green's shooting, he made 8 3's in a game in his first 10 games with a slow release and unpolished motion. Here is a list of NBA players who have made over 9 3's per game at least once, and while of course there are outliers there is a clear grouping here. To hit 8 of 10 3's in one night is more meaningful than it is a random hot night when it happens. Most of the players on this list have historically good percentages relative to volume and btw the Rockets seem to be prolific at producing them.

    The kid has given plenty of evidence already. By the time there's proof, you will have missed the bandwagon already but don't worry, we will remember you and your cautious ways.

    https://www.landofbasketball.com/records/9_or_more_3pointers.htm
     
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    His ft% for a 19 year old also says that he'll most likely be a competent shooter at minimum.
     
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