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[The Atlantic] Why More Americans Are Saying They’re ‘Vaxxed and Done’

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    Why More Americans Are Saying They’re ‘Vaxxed and Done’
    COVID has always divided Americans. The Omicron wave is even dividing the vaccinated.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/covid-omicron-vaccination-rashomon/621199/

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    For more than a year, I did everything that public-health authorities told me to do. I wore masks. I canceled vacations. I made sacrifices. I got vaccinated. I got boosted. I'm happy to get boosted again. But this virus doesn't stop. Year over year, the infections don't decrease. Instead, virulence for people like me is decreasing, either because the virus is changing, or because of growing population immunity, or both. Americans should stop pointlessly guilting themselves about all these cases. In the past week, daily confirmed COVID cases per capita were higher than the U.S. in Ireland, Greece, Iceland, Denmark, France, the U.K., Spain, Portugal, Italy, Switzerland, and even Australia, one of the most COVID-cautious countries in the world. As the coronavirus continues its unstoppable march toward endemicity, our attitude toward the virus should follow a similar path toward stoicism. COVID is becoming something like the seasonal flu for most people who keep up with their shots, so I'm prepared to treat this like I've treated the flu: by basically not worrying about it and living my life normally.
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  2. dobro1229

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    It only divided Americans when after several months in studies showed how Covid was disproportionately killing black and brown people. Then it was absolutely divisive by those who made it that way because they wanted Trump to win re-election and knew the economy shutting down would kill his chances.

    People don’t remember the month prior though when shockingly the vast majority of people were all collectively freaked.
     
  3. Reeko

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    Moderna CEO recently came out and said a 4th shot may be needed soon, and everyone in the comments section was like

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    a lot of people are done with this, even among the vaccinated

    How many shots are they gonna have people taking before this is all done?
     
  4. Andre0087

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    The whole get the shot and you're safe shtick is over. They need to work on a yearly vaccine like the flu and target certain variants of Covid, letting the people who want it get it but don't mandate it. It's time for the world to realize this so we can move forward...
     
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    I am "due" for a booster in February. Good chance I take if it's not mandated. If its mandated, I will hold out until my job makes me take it.
     
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    These are the principles you fight for.

    I just kinda find it funny. Sorry dude. I just don't know why.
     
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    If your job mandates it, it's because your leadership believes more people will leave the co. due to health and safety measures than will leave due to mandates. If that's the case then why would you want to be perceived as putting your colleagues in that type of position?

    It's these kind of comments that I just find bizarre with "conservatives." Like... get the shot, and the booster because you want to, and believe it's the right thing to do, or don't. But when you allow the politics of "Sticking it to the man" because of "Muh Freedoms" or whatever, you guys are making dumb decisions that are based on politics that could hurt yourself, or others around you.

    Please just make the decision you feel like is best to make for you and your colleagues & family.
     
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    I've learned that most conservatives have a very child like notion of what "freedom" and "Liberty" is. Basically "I can do what I want even at others expense". It's why it's very difficult for them to grasp things like environmental regulations.
     
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    I haven't taken a booster but if i didnt work remote, I'd be forced to.

    Don't really care either way as Omi wrecks everything.

    I am open to new formulations of the shot, but the booster thing still reeks of over-control to a chaotic and evolving situation
     
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    They just don't understand that the reason they are "maybe" being asked to get vaccinated has nothing to do with Joe Biden, and everything to do with their cubemate or partner they ride in the car with, etc. The reason why your employer might or might not make it a rule is because of them. So I don't really know why you aren't mad at them then... or really I don't know why you have so little respect for your co-workers who might ask leadership to do something to protect them.

    As you said, it's a very self-centered culture that the nanny state right has created. It goes against everything that the teaching of Jesus Christ values in humility, love, and respecting others who are not like you (Jesus choosing to eat with the prostitutes instead of the church leaders, etc.) The whole point of being a Christian is that model of embracing sacrifice for others. That's kind of the whole point.
     
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    I think that'll be what comes once we get into the endemic stages. I've heard more and more from officials that we need to start learning to live with it and start managing it that way.

    That's a pretty childish way of looking at it. I'll only get it if they don't make me? What the f*** does it matter the reason?
     
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    I took a booster for international travel, but when we start talking about a 4th shot, and who knows, 5th or even 6th, that’s when I gravitate towards the group of people who are like “all right, y’all need to stop…leave me alone”
     
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    I can extend the time before the next booster is mandated.
     
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    I work from home so I wont putting be colleagues at risk. We have just over 100 employees so we may be mandated.
     
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    Part of me suspects they're caling for more boosters so that the cohort who listens covers up for those who don't.

    A complete vax is still effective at reducing hospitalizations to some degree, mostly because it reduces the novel nature of a coronavirus on an unexposed person.

    It is damn considerate, yet the principle of how politicized this is bothers the **** out of me.

    Not caring and letting those free riders be one with chance or God seems to be the less frustrating option.
     
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    I understand why you think that, but it's not true (boosters about over-control).

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    Whenever I got the first shot... like the very first one... the doctor said that it's a given I'll have to have three shots which I thought was nuts. However the political leaders, and even the people like Fauci where not jumping to that conclusion yet, and wanted to wait on the data to make those conclusions.

    Now we see that the data doesn't lie. This is just Seattle and NYC which are sort of the Omicron Epicenters right now, and have the best early data. Based on what the people in healthcare knew back in May of 2020, it's not that chaotic, and fairly predictable. The issue is, should people like fauci be less conservative, and just get real about the need long term for people to get used to yearly or bi-annual shots because of variants?

    People like yourself are going to get burnt out and get distrustful if proper expectations aren't met. That's an issue. What IS NOT an issue right now though is the data that shows that it's pretty obvious..... you should get the booster shot for sure.... but that's your decision of course.
     
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    Not fighting anything Mr Righteous. You are a joke. I took the vaccine when my wife was pregnant. I work from home and encounter very few people. Why should I be forced to take it? Because my employer employs 100 people. That's a joke.
     
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    I was commented on your ability to take the vaccine based on whether Biden mandates it or not.
     
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    I don't know what you are worried about then. I'll be shocked if your leadership mandates that. I have yet to hear of a company mandating it when they are not a company that has to have close interaction or travel of some sort that creates liability. Your leadership (unless they are dumb hacks) are operating solely on what is best for their business.

    So it's kind of strange you'd even make that comment to begin with, but I guess you just have politics on the mind. Making a decision either way just to stick it to the man is dumb, but it's your dumb decision to make. Good news is it doesn't sound like you'll be needing to make this particular dumb decision.
     
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    I read that article and it said nothing about boosters.

    Boosters can drastically reduce infection rates, but the alarm bells rung for getting a vax to prevent or reduce hospitalizations was mostly answered, for me at least.

    Even then they're still being rung with the same fervency despite the risk being drastically reduced with a "full vaccination". I get part of it is they're still doing it for the unvaxxed, but it's incredibly difficult to separate the noise among people who are vaxxed.

    That bothers me plenty, and maybe they could be right about preparing for the unknowable worst, but they don't have the data or consistency to back it up. Some people are content with the graphs you posted. I think it's misleading and engenders distrust and skepticism.

    WHO is expecting half of Europe to get infected with Omi. Time to spray rare and precious holy water and hope for the best... Isnt there still a vaccine supply shortage for the rest of the world?
     
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