But GSW needed to draft Curry, Klay, and Draymond to lure KD. Heat needed to have Wade to lure Shaq over and then Lebron.
Exactly. If this team eventually is going to contend in a few years, you need guys like Green and Sengun to be at a level where if we do need to get a mercenary ring chasing veteran star, they are willing to come here.
Ok, but where exactly did tanking for years and years come into those equations? Draymond is a second round pick, Klay is a late lottery pick. The Heat drafted Wade and immediately went to the playoffs with him and Odom. You do realise you're proving my point, not your own right?
This is completely irrelevant to the point I was making, which is that none of those teams won by tanking over and over for top picks. Literally not a single one of them. Now how many teams have tanked and tanked and won it all, or even been successful in the grand scheme of things?
So they got lucky and hit immediately in the draft? It's still the same concept, get your cornerstones from the draft. You are getting hung up on the duration instead of the process. The Warriors were more like the Kings before the built their dynasty.
Nah you don't get to twist it. We have potential cornerstones, where's the argument for perpetual tanking? The Warriors didn't do that, the Heat didn't, The Spurs didn't, The Lakers didn't. The fact is that the teams who perpetually tank never win ****, most of them aren't even remotely successful after years of tanking. The teams who win it all play and build to compete to the best of their ability and trade for stars or draft where they land. The teams who tank for high picks are all mostly still bottom feeders. Open your eyes to the facts and stop trying to flip this into a different discussion, either disprove the point or concede it, that's how a debate works.
Who is arguing we perpetual tank? Seems like a made up argument by you anti rebuilders.... We are literally in the first full season of the rebuild. Open your eyes to the situation. You are hung up on the duration instead of the process.
The Spurs tanked. The Warriors were bad enough were they were able to draft Curry, Klay and Green. The Rockets were bad enough where they got to first pick overall and drafted their greatest franchise player ever that got them two rings. The Bulls were bad enough to draft Jordan at 3rd. Ignore the word "tank". Rather my point is, many of these teams won building through the draft. There are more than enough examples of teams winning their rings through the draft and sticking with their draft selection rather than acquiring their superstar ring getter through trades. Anyways, I don't understand what you are really arguing against anyways? Is it that we don't have the coaching staff that will instill a winning culture? Ya I agree. Silas is in way over his head and his a horrible mistake for a HC hire and I'm sure 90% of the people you are debating agree on that. And to the other posters' points: This is literally our first season with our acquired high level talent through the draft and they are 19 years old. What do you expect really? Better veterans? Better coaching? Ya, no one is debating that. Hardly anyone here believes Wood is a solid veteran "star " presence for our young guys. Hardly anyone here thinks Silas is our coach for the long haul.
Nooooo. You can't say that. The Memphis rebuild started in 2019 when they traded Mark Gasol, Mike Conley and drafted Ja Morant. The 17-18 year and the JJJ pick is not part of the rebuild. You don't have your two best players in history on the roster and call that a rebuild. It was just a bad year, due to Conley's injury, he hardly played that year. The JJJ pick is interesting in that he had a very solid rookie year, playing alongside veterans like Mike Conley. But then he got injured and missed Morant's rookie season, and then was still finding his footing last year. That held his development back, he's probably played fewer games than Morant in total, even though was drafted a year earlier. But no, the Memphis rebuild starts with Ja Morant, or Year 3 in your timeline. And actually, it's more correct to say that it starts with Morant AND Jenkins, who came in 2019. That young coach really has put something in place there. Our situation is much worse than theirs: Silas has shown nothing on par with Jenkins, and Jalen Green has shown nothing on par with Ja Morant.
Well duh! They had Mike Conley! And Marc Gasol! We were winning tons of games when we had Harden! The rebuild starts in 2019 trade deadline when they traded Gasol. Within six or eight months these things happened: 1. Drafted Ja 2. Traded Conley 3. Hired Jenkins. And they are off to the races...
What does this even mean? Do you want me to post Morant's stats in the NBA when he was 19? Wait you can't because he wasn't even in the league at that age. Jalen Green with just a third of a NBA season of games under his belt is already scoring at relatively the same efficiency as Morant when he was 20 after a complete rookie season. If Green's current season trajectory stays on course, he's probably averaging around 19 ppg on 56%-60% ts by the end of the season which would be better than Morant in terms of output AND efficiency while doing it a year younger. Like why say crap like this? I'm' not even saying that Green WILL BE better than Morant at the end of the day. I just don't understand why you think he has shown "nothing" relative to Morant with such a "matter of fact" tone? Like you type in complete sentence so I'm assuming you aren't dumb enough to compare Green now to Morant at 22 with 3 years of NBA experience. I hope not because man, I would really have to reevaluate how dumb someone can be even if they can type in complete sentences.
So, "perpetual tank" is a metaphor, probably out of frustration... The main issue we have is this: "rebuilding" vs "accumulation" We started the season with hope for "rebuild": a #2 pick, multiple other intriguing young players, etc. Now at mid-season it's: boy, wait till we get our 2022 and 2023 picks! We are not rebuilding we are trying to accumulate...
I'm trying to understand where you see the moving of goal posts here. Every human on this message board assumed before this season started that we are going to draft high again. What is your point? Like did you come into this season actually assuming we won't be a top 5 worst team record wise? I'm seriously perplexed on what your actual point is?
So you thought we were going to be have it completed by the 2021 draft alone? I'm not exactly sure what your expectations were, but it doesn't seem realistic. James Harden was traded 1/13/2021 FYI. I never thought this wasn't going to be a multi year rebuild and I've always operated within the framework that we had the drafts of 2021, 2022, and 2023 to rebuild. Hopefully we are competing for a playin spot before the 2023 draft but maybe we won't be.
Urghhhh, you're becoming ridiculous with this "19-year old" stuff... We have to put up with you for another month to today, hopefully you'll shut-up then. Yes, Ja Morant was 6 months older in his rookie year than Jalen Green. That's the big deal? Point is as a rookie he shined, was the best rookie in his class, and took his team to the brink of playoffs. Jalen Green is nothing on par with that, through half his rookie season. That's not "crap", that's self-evidently true. And my guess is, this is one of the main reasons about all this 2022, 2023 talk heating up now.
not "completed" but to see things building up to something, not just to more losing and more draft picks. The example I gave was with Memphis with Ja and Jenkins, being competitive and barely missing the playoffs in the first year. That was the hope, yes. Was that a complete rebuild? No, no way. They kept drafting talent: Bane and Tilman the following year, Zaire Williams and Santi Aldana the year after that. Trades: Adams IN, Jonas OUT... etc., etc... But you could see things building up and winning culture getting established in Year One. What we are seeing now from the Rockets is pathetic in comparison...
Yes, I was hoping that we'd be fighting for the play-in. But at the very, very least trying to play structured, winning basketball.
Yeah they had to tank to get the 11th and 35th picks, makes sense... Nope. They didn't even tank to draft Curry, your entire premise is nonsense, they were 10th in the conference.
Garnett for example identifies himself with the Celtics and the Wolves being the Wolf King. The Celtic Culture fully embraced Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett for that matter. Easy for them as Celtics are Top 2 winningest team in history.
